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03-21-20, 01:39 PM
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03-21-20, 01:42 PM
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03-21-20, 01:57 PM
#9753
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03-21-20, 01:57 PM
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Excellent.
So for our Adventures in Telemedicine, one of my partners used the image my patients see while they are in my virtual waiting room and made a poster of it to put on the physician’s door. It looks like a coin with my profile, so the coin has been named the “Dougloon.”
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03-21-20, 01:59 PM
#9755
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Actually DougRNS is right after all. Moderators, please deal with this incitement of violence. #MouseLivesMatter
03-21-20, 02:20 PM
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03-21-20, 02:21 PM
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We did a quasi-group ride. A total of 9 showed up. We broke into two groups immediately. I was in a group of 4. I advised we try to maintain social distance which kinda did not happen. Not sure if that is wise going forward. I may just go on solo rides but solo riders more vulnerable to asshat motorists too. There is no perfect solution.
My thought process is if the CDC tells us to keep 6 ft from others, viral particles that a person breathes out probably exist in a spherical “cloud” emanating maybe 3 feet in any direction centered on your heading (assuming they’re including a generous safety margin in the 6 ft recommendation).
But that’s standing still or maybe at walking speed. Once you get on a bike and start moving at bike speeds, that sphere turns into an ovoid with most of the bad air (if you’re sick) streaming out behind you. How far? Who knows? It depends on how fast you’re going, wind speed, probably humidity. But it’s likely more than 6 feet. Then simultaneously you have the guy riding behind you moving into your bad air at a much higher rate of speed than a person walking, further decreasing the effective distance between people.
Theres probably some other factors to consider- virus getting dispersed so delivering a lower viral dose to the next guy compared to still air (a good thing), the transient negative effect of exercise on immune function (a bad thing), the amount of virus exhaled based on resp rate (potentially a bad thing) and depth (potentially a good thing).
In short who the F knows. Other than I’m certain it’s a bad thing to do if we can’t say it’s safe.
Right now population health trumps individual health. So group rides are an easy no. Solo rides are problematic- increased risk to the individual at a time when our health care system’s resources should not be diverted. It’s hard for me to say this but I think the moral/ethical/patriotic thing right now is trainer rides.
But I feel like it’s likely that recreational cycling will be banned very soon. So I’m kind of still hanging in there myself with the solo outdoor rides. Struggling with it though because I want to do the right thing and not be selfish but I also want to get out on my bikes.
03-21-20, 02:23 PM
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03-21-20, 02:24 PM
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03-21-20, 02:25 PM
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03-21-20, 02:28 PM
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Cant speak for Addiction but walking as an exercise seems to have gone viral in my area. It’s 36° out and I quit counting walkers, cyclists, etc. at fifty units during my 20 mile ride. I don’t see that many in the summer.
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03-21-20, 02:30 PM
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I guess my answer is a half dollar or two quarters.
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03-21-20, 02:32 PM
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QFT, my wife and I were commenting to each other about this, while walking our "alarm" dogs. All of a sudden everyones a health nut.
03-21-20, 02:37 PM
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AG and I have instituted a semaphore system where we put a Lego kit on the outside of our laptops to let each other know when we're in calls and can't be disturbed.
03-21-20, 02:50 PM
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Some of the stores in my area have been doing similar things, giving the run of the place exclusively to those at higher risk, usually for the first hour or two of business.
03-21-20, 02:54 PM
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03-21-20, 02:55 PM
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Right now population health trumps individual health. So group rides are an easy no. Solo rides are problematic- increased risk to the individual at a time when our health care system’s resources should not be diverted. It’s hard for me to say this but I think the moral/ethical/patriotic thing right now is trainer rides. But I feel like it’s likely that recreational cycling will be banned very soon. So I’m kind of still hanging in there myself with the solo outdoor rides. Struggling with it though because I want to do the right thing and not be selfish but I also want to get out on my bikes.
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03-21-20, 02:59 PM
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IMO there is no ok group ride now.
My thought process is if the CDC tells us to keep 6 ft from others, viral particles that a person breathes out probably exist in a spherical “cloud” emanating maybe 3 feet in any direction centered on your heading (assuming they’re including a generous safety margin in the 6 ft recommendation).
But that’s standing still or maybe at walking speed. Once you get on a bike and start moving at bike speeds, that sphere turns into an ovoid with most of the bad air (if you’re sick) streaming out behind you. How far? Who knows? It depends on how fast you’re going, wind speed, probably humidity. But it’s likely more than 6 feet. Then simultaneously you have the guy riding behind you moving into your bad air at a much higher rate of speed than a person walking, further decreasing the effective distance between people.
Theres probably some other factors to consider- virus getting dispersed so delivering a lower viral dose to the next guy compared to still air (a good thing), the transient negative effect of exercise on immune function (a bad thing), the amount of virus exhaled based on resp rate (potentially a bad thing) and depth (potentially a good thing).
In short who the F knows. Other than I’m certain it’s a bad thing to do if we can’t say it’s safe.
Right now population health trumps individual health. So group rides are an easy no. Solo rides are problematic- increased risk to the individual at a time when our health care system’s resources should not be diverted. It’s hard for me to say this but I think the moral/ethical/patriotic thing right now is trainer rides.
But I feel like it’s likely that recreational cycling will be banned very soon. So I’m kind of still hanging in there myself with the solo outdoor rides. Struggling with it though because I want to do the right thing and not be selfish but I also want to get out on my bikes.
My thought process is if the CDC tells us to keep 6 ft from others, viral particles that a person breathes out probably exist in a spherical “cloud” emanating maybe 3 feet in any direction centered on your heading (assuming they’re including a generous safety margin in the 6 ft recommendation).
But that’s standing still or maybe at walking speed. Once you get on a bike and start moving at bike speeds, that sphere turns into an ovoid with most of the bad air (if you’re sick) streaming out behind you. How far? Who knows? It depends on how fast you’re going, wind speed, probably humidity. But it’s likely more than 6 feet. Then simultaneously you have the guy riding behind you moving into your bad air at a much higher rate of speed than a person walking, further decreasing the effective distance between people.
Theres probably some other factors to consider- virus getting dispersed so delivering a lower viral dose to the next guy compared to still air (a good thing), the transient negative effect of exercise on immune function (a bad thing), the amount of virus exhaled based on resp rate (potentially a bad thing) and depth (potentially a good thing).
In short who the F knows. Other than I’m certain it’s a bad thing to do if we can’t say it’s safe.
Right now population health trumps individual health. So group rides are an easy no. Solo rides are problematic- increased risk to the individual at a time when our health care system’s resources should not be diverted. It’s hard for me to say this but I think the moral/ethical/patriotic thing right now is trainer rides.
But I feel like it’s likely that recreational cycling will be banned very soon. So I’m kind of still hanging in there myself with the solo outdoor rides. Struggling with it though because I want to do the right thing and not be selfish but I also want to get out on my bikes.
03-21-20, 03:03 PM
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03-21-20, 03:23 PM
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I've been trying to motivate myself to go on another ride today since it's sunny and calm, but a walk over to the pharmacy earlier chilled me more than I expected.
I don't believe that it's actually going to make it to the forecast 38°F today.
I don't believe that it's actually going to make it to the forecast 38°F today.
03-21-20, 03:42 PM
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03-21-20, 03:42 PM
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cowboy, steel horse, etc
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Solo ride for me today. They're my favorite kind, anyways... like the first half of this ditty.
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03-21-20, 03:44 PM
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Vegetarian Indian food for dinner. If you have a pressure cooker and a rice cooker, you can make anything during the apocalypse.
03-21-20, 03:46 PM
#9775
Señor Member
I got a growler fill the other day at Iron Hill. They wouldn't fill the growler that I brought - "new rules". They gave me one of theirs and made me promise to bring it back. I don't know quite how this is going to work going forward - if I bring the old one back do they run it through the dishwashing machine so they can reuse it?