Metallifan33

This is what I was thinking. If I was a mechanic, I'd want bike out there that need a mechanic to work on

Metallifan33

Not sure what you mean by this. I know many minority women that are pilots. There are organizations that specialize in helping minorities and women land flying jobs (OBAP being one that comes to mind). Women in Aviation (WIA) is another good one.
Maybe as a culture we don't encourage girls to get into STEM jobs, but any woman that wants to fly (and has what it takes) can fly today (there's a shortage as well).

vane171

Brakes will be electrically controlled disks, I doubt wifi is in their future. Also doubt braking will be from a single actuation point (like in automobiles) as it would be if you joined the front/rear braking into one electronically controlled system with some bias, anti-locking systems. But perhaps on the brake front, I just can't imagine not having control over which wheel I would be applying braking to. That would be like when modern cars won't allow you to make a clock spin or go sliding rear wheels through a road turn (I think only high end sports cars allow disabling the system, at least partly to allow for those things).

79pmooney

You are reading way too much into this. I was just having fun with the words integrated and cockpit. I think both terms,as used on bikes, are rather presumptuous. So taking this to what I think of when I hear "cockpit", the flight cabin of a plane, what is the most integrated flight crew you could have (and the most different from the almost always all white male crew you could have. (Just my observations and I have flown many times.)

If this was offensive to anybody, I'm sorry. I seem to learn best inserting my foot into my mouth.

Ben

bruce19

I'm not a fan. Perhaps there's something I don't understand but it looks like you either fit or you don't don't. So, if there's no adjustability how does that help me? I actually like the look but form follows function.

Metallifan33

Ah. I missed the joke; sorry.
I'm sure you didn't offend anyone

WhyFi

No, it's not. That you don't immediately know what it means doesn't mean that the terms are presumptuous, it just means that you're not up to speed.

colnago62

Okay, I see what you mean. I was watching Omloop Het Neiwsblad today and looked like virtually every cockpit was one piece.

Rides4Beer

Lil over 600 miles and almost 45,000ft in the first two weeks on the new bike. Now I just need my new wheels to get here, and the weather to keep warming up!

Snowflake6

The longer I take to decide on my next bike, the closer and closer the decision becomes to it being a full-aero setup with fully integrated lines. As others have pointed out, it just looks so. much. better.

Leaning towards a self-built bike at this point, with either a Winspace or Yoeleo frame. But nothing decided yet.

Kimmo

Wow. Folks tipping the advent of electric brakes are displaying the sort of STEM ignorance that's evidently rampant in the populace, as evidenced by the spread of absurd conspiracy theories any high schooler should be able to call out as obvious bunk...

Consider the force operating on disc pads, and the percentage variation of that required for fine modulation - now imagine actuators small enough, powerful enough, and efficient enough, and also a feedback system capable of allowing for fine modulation.

Pffff. Never gonna happen. Even if it was possible to get to the proof of concept stage, bulk and complexity would be prohibitive. But let's say technology is sufficiently magic to make it all light and sleek - the expense would be utterly horrific, especially in light of the fact it's far from clear what problem is being solved by going from hydraulic to electric.

Psimet2001 

Eh - the tech is there for lots of vehicles already. The issue would be wired or wireless for bikes. If wireless then we now have batteries for our brakes...that's not going to pass anyone's safety regulations. So wired it is....then why not just stick with hydraulic, cheaper, more efficient, lighter, and proven.

smashndash

Not sure how going wired solves the problem. If your battery runs out mid-descent, you're still screwed.

Psimet2001 

Eh...whole system battery meaning it would be larger and would shut down other functions as it got closer to running out (like how shimano shuts off front shifting as the battery gets low). Wouldn't be completely safe but would be a better system than wireless requiring your own battery in each brake.

Rides4Beer

I don't think the lawyers would ever allow it. You can single speed it if the whole shifting system dies, but Fred Flintstone brakes aren't really a viable option.

smashndash

Right. The only potential solution would be that each caliper has a backup battery + the bike has a dynamo hub that guarantees you won't run out of charge on the road (ie, like a car).

tomato coupe

You just tug on the wires if the battery dies.

Kimmo

You too, Psimet? Wouldn't have picked you for that sort of fantasist.

The whole idea will never get past, or even to, the drawing board. It's utterly ridiculous in every way. Someone tell me what problem it solves. And consider that a Di2 derailer, employing a bespoke actuator designed to meet a far less demanding brief, costs like $500.

Shifting uses tiny little batteries. Has anyone considered for a moment, what size bucket of electrons you need to repeatedly haul 80kg or so to a stop? Electric brakes would weigh half as much as the bike, if you're lucky! And folks just hand-wave past the critical aspect of feedback - I suspect this would be a decidedly non-trivial challenge.

I mean come on. Why? Does any motorbike have them?

Psimet2001 

My career goes way back into the hydraulic industry so I will always be a bit of a fan for hydraulic's capabilities for the price. Really wanted to work with the Rotor group but alas have held off.

Yeah/no electronic brakes aren't going to happen for all of the reasons you mention and more. Then again I always though electric shift systems on bikes were ridiculous and stupid....yet I ride them and would easily opt for them over manual systems on any new bike. I also don't fully embrace disc brakes for a lot of reasons...yet almost every bike i have is a disc bike at this point.

Things and tech change. *shrug*

downhillmaster

Anything that panders to those cyclists that can’t help looking at or taking pictures of their bikes is here to stay ofc

JayHal

We older riders love a variety of tech but mostly over 40 years.

JayHal

As an older rider I have 10 bikes to ride but don't exceed 30 miles. All my bikes are at least 10 years old in carbon, steel and aluminum and they have various configurations based on my estimated ability for that ride. Having put over 300 people on bikes I find that individual ability varies more than technology.

ericcox

If I have learned anything in life, it is to never make absolute statements. Things change in unpredictable ways. Except the absolute edict against absolutes.

Psimet2001 

Surprised no one posted this yet...

colnago62

I read about this. I was reading fast, but it sounds like these bars are adjustable for width, though it doesn’t seem to to be the cause of the break. Btw, Canyon is recalling all the bikes that use these bars, so if you own one...