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07-20-14, 08:43 PM
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I think target fixation is a graduation movement toward the subject. often on a straight line course. he came around that bend and pretty much as soon as you were in sight he turned deliberately toward to you. there's no doubt in my mind and i would find the bastard quilyty in a heartbeat.
07-20-14, 08:50 PM
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My deepest regrets and wishes for an excellent recovery.
When my son was critically injured in 1986, one of the first things we did was to contact an attorney. A civil suit was filed. 11 years later we settled, after two trips to the LA Supreme Court, etc.
Keep in mind that you may have the effects of this injury for some time to come, even lifetime. Your expenses may not just be limited to the hospital bills. There may be psychological effects such as future fears of bicycle riding and even PTSD. And it may take some time for these to show up.
Don't be in a hurry to settle, no matter how large the check is that they wave in front of you.
And, everything you write in these forums will find their way into discovery and a trial, if there is a trial.
Best of luck.
When my son was critically injured in 1986, one of the first things we did was to contact an attorney. A civil suit was filed. 11 years later we settled, after two trips to the LA Supreme Court, etc.
Keep in mind that you may have the effects of this injury for some time to come, even lifetime. Your expenses may not just be limited to the hospital bills. There may be psychological effects such as future fears of bicycle riding and even PTSD. And it may take some time for these to show up.
Don't be in a hurry to settle, no matter how large the check is that they wave in front of you.
And, everything you write in these forums will find their way into discovery and a trial, if there is a trial.
Best of luck.
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07-20-14, 08:52 PM
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First - what a video! It is morbidly fascinating and horrible. Metric Man: I wish you the best for recovery and hope you're riding again soon, with little or no paranoia.
I'd like to preface my question with the statement that I am in NO WAY faulting the cyclist for anything. I'm wondering though if people tend to ride close to the white line? That seemed to be a broad, clean shoulder. I tend to ride closer to the middle or even edge of the shoulder assuming it is relatively clear of debris. Ideally, I'd like the high speed traffic to be able to pass me w/ 3 feet of clearance without drifting over the striped center line of the highway. If I'm close to the white line, they either have to pass closer than that, or move out of their lane - I don't like making anyone do that if not necessary. (If necessary, I don't mind making them do it!)
A lot of time, the further you get from the white line, the more crap is on the shoulder, so you have to ride closer to the white line, so it's not a cut and dried thing for me or anyone.
I don't want OP to respond to this because I in no way want it to be an issue in this. But I'm wondering where other riders default to - closer to the edge of the shoulder or closer to the white line.... and why.
I'm lucky that most of the highway riding I do is on a shoulder with rumble strips. I think they tend to keep the drivers from drifting inadvertently and also give me a heads up when someone is drifting -although in my opinion, there's little or no chance of changing my line to avoid being hit from behind, even with visual (mirror) or audible (rumble strips) warning.
All my best to you Metric Man. Don't take my question as a fault, just genuine curiosity about riding habits.
I'd like to preface my question with the statement that I am in NO WAY faulting the cyclist for anything. I'm wondering though if people tend to ride close to the white line? That seemed to be a broad, clean shoulder. I tend to ride closer to the middle or even edge of the shoulder assuming it is relatively clear of debris. Ideally, I'd like the high speed traffic to be able to pass me w/ 3 feet of clearance without drifting over the striped center line of the highway. If I'm close to the white line, they either have to pass closer than that, or move out of their lane - I don't like making anyone do that if not necessary. (If necessary, I don't mind making them do it!)
A lot of time, the further you get from the white line, the more crap is on the shoulder, so you have to ride closer to the white line, so it's not a cut and dried thing for me or anyone.
I don't want OP to respond to this because I in no way want it to be an issue in this. But I'm wondering where other riders default to - closer to the edge of the shoulder or closer to the white line.... and why.
I'm lucky that most of the highway riding I do is on a shoulder with rumble strips. I think they tend to keep the drivers from drifting inadvertently and also give me a heads up when someone is drifting -although in my opinion, there's little or no chance of changing my line to avoid being hit from behind, even with visual (mirror) or audible (rumble strips) warning.
All my best to you Metric Man. Don't take my question as a fault, just genuine curiosity about riding habits.
Metric Man hope you quickly heal and are able to put this behind you.
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07-20-14, 09:36 PM
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Thanks - I'd never thought it through that far. I didn't realize there was that much clearance between the white line and a legal vehicle within the traffic lane. I certainly ride right near to the white line whenever the condition of the shoulder debris warrants it, which probably is more often than not. Sometimes in the traffic lane to avoid debris, although I really don't like doing that on a 50+ mph road regardless of how far back I can see.
07-20-14, 10:05 PM
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If this motorist is thought to be deliberately endangering cyclists by making close passes, hopefully an attorney can possibly find some complaints lodged against this person for making close passes. Though, if the police are trying to cover for this person, trying to find any lodged complaints may be difficult.
07-21-14, 06:08 AM
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My insurance agent, also a bike rider gave me a third eye mirror, laid in the box for a while. Decided to try it, now don't ride without it! I often ride on four lane highway and as far away from the fog line as possible.
A camera can only tell you what happened after the fact, a mirror may give you a heads up to avoid a possible disaster.
Heal quickly, best of luck with getting compensated.
A camera can only tell you what happened after the fact, a mirror may give you a heads up to avoid a possible disaster.
Heal quickly, best of luck with getting compensated.
07-21-14, 06:29 AM
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Not diminishing the value of using a mirror, but I don't believe it would've helped in this case.
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Thats a wide shoulder. No way he couldn't have stayed in his lane and missed you.
07-21-14, 07:31 AM
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I wouldn't ride without a mirror. IMHO, It most definitely would have helped if he had been watching the traffic. But eyeballing every single car on a road like that is easier said than done, and with a shoulder that wide, I'm not sure I'd have been doing so.
Damn, that truck was huge. <shiver>
Damn, that truck was huge. <shiver>
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If this motorist is thought to be deliberately endangering cyclists by making close passes, hopefully an attorney can possibly find some complaints lodged against this person for making close passes. Though, if the police are trying to cover for this person, trying to find any lodged complaints may be difficult.
07-21-14, 07:48 AM
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Why aren't the police investigating that? It would be easy enough to confirm or refute by subpoenaing the guy's cellphone records. And if so, the DA charge him with reckless driving w/serious injury.
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07-21-14, 08:07 AM
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In one prominent bicycle/vehicle collision case in my state, charges would not have been brought forth to one motorist if a cycling advocate had not remembered a previous complaint filed a year earlier, since law enforcement had inadvertently failed to bring it to light.
Added: "The police chief says that this was not an intentional act."
https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/...ing-after-that
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Wow, I'm glad you had this on camera, I'm glad you are alive, wow. Quite a video.
07-21-14, 08:56 AM
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..A lot of time, the further you get from the white line, the more crap is on the shoulder, so you have to ride closer to the white line, so it's not a cut and dried thing for me or anyone...I'm wondering where other riders default to - closer to the edge of the shoulder or closer to the white line.... and why...
Since I started riding with the biggest, baddest, and brightest blinky available, motorized vehicles give me lots of room. I've posted this previously...before riding with strobes, (front and rear), only about one out of ten cars would pass me with enough room that I felt safe. After using strobes, the ratio has flipped and now only one out of ten pass me to the point that I think "Whew, that was a bit close." I'm a believer and now only ride without strobes if I'm in a group or on a MUP. When out and about, I've seen more and more cyclist using strobes in the past two years. Their use has really "exploded".
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^ What are you using?
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Added: "The police chief says that this was not an intentional act."
Cyclist clipped by truck: 'I remember riding up the overpass and - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee
Added: "The police chief says that this was not an intentional act."
Cyclist clipped by truck: 'I remember riding up the overpass and - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee
I Googled some news about the Bullard Police department and it's not pretty. I won't go into it but I wouldn't deal with them at all except through an attorney.
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Since I started riding with the biggest, baddest, and brightest blinky available, motorized vehicles give me lots of room. I've posted this previously...before riding with strobes, (front and rear), only about one out of ten cars would pass me with enough room that I felt safe. After using strobes, the ratio has flipped and now only one out of ten pass me to the point that I think "Whew, that was a bit close." I'm a believer and now only ride without strobes if I'm in a group or on a MUP. When out and about, I've seen more and more cyclist using strobes in the past two years. Their use has really "exploded".
I use a mirror, and the main reason is to check on cars. There have been a couple of times when I saw something iffy and just pulled over and stopped.
07-21-14, 09:17 AM
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NiteRider MiNewt 600 on the front, in strobe mode. That model has been replaced by the MiNewt 650, (and just checking, now a model 700). Just saw that Performance has the 600 for eighty bucks, (that's almost half price from what I paid). It is self-contained, recharges via USB, mounts on the bars, and in strobe mode, will last long enough for a century.
On the rear, I use a DiNotte 300R. It is also self contained, USB chargable, and I have it mounted on the seat post on most of my bikes. The Kestrel has an aero seat post, so I have to mount it on the lower seatstay on that bike. I had though about getting the 400R, but that model requires an external battery. The manufacturer lit says that the 400R cannot be used at night because it is too bright.
I've had complaints from drivers and pedestrians about the brightness, (and annoyance) of the lights. GOOD! That means they are working and I'm being seen. Be seen...be safe.
One motorcycle "ran me down", (coming toward me, passed me, turned around, and caught up with me), to ask about the MiNewt. He said he saw it from a half a mile away and wanted one for his motorcycle to increase his visibility.
On the rear, I use a DiNotte 300R. It is also self contained, USB chargable, and I have it mounted on the seat post on most of my bikes. The Kestrel has an aero seat post, so I have to mount it on the lower seatstay on that bike. I had though about getting the 400R, but that model requires an external battery. The manufacturer lit says that the 400R cannot be used at night because it is too bright.
I've had complaints from drivers and pedestrians about the brightness, (and annoyance) of the lights. GOOD! That means they are working and I'm being seen. Be seen...be safe.
One motorcycle "ran me down", (coming toward me, passed me, turned around, and caught up with me), to ask about the MiNewt. He said he saw it from a half a mile away and wanted one for his motorcycle to increase his visibility.
07-21-14, 09:28 AM
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p.s. Above is just what I use. There are many, many good lights out there from various manufactures. These are just what I use, and I am happy with them. The most important thing is that they need to be bright! At least 500-600 lumens for the front strobe. Anything less is just not visible. The strobe is what gets attention. Solid lights just don't have the same effect. And on the back, you can either purchase very, very bright strobes/lights, or fairly dim ones. Doesn't seem to be much in the middle. The dim ones are practically useless. The bright ones are incredibly stupid expensive. Again, the strobe mode is what gets people's attention.
However, since I noticed the profound difference in vehicular behavior with the bright ones, I am a true believer and would never consider riding solo without one. I consider it as part of the expense of our equipment for the sport we so much love. Love to the point where we place our very lives in the hands of the mostly uninformed general public.
p.p.s. More than several times, local sheriff and police cruisers have passed me, coming or going, and not a single one has said one word about riding with strobes in the daytime. I think they understand the danger we face.
However, since I noticed the profound difference in vehicular behavior with the bright ones, I am a true believer and would never consider riding solo without one. I consider it as part of the expense of our equipment for the sport we so much love. Love to the point where we place our very lives in the hands of the mostly uninformed general public.
p.p.s. More than several times, local sheriff and police cruisers have passed me, coming or going, and not a single one has said one word about riding with strobes in the daytime. I think they understand the danger we face.
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07-21-14, 09:36 AM
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I use a mirror also, but mostly to see if the traffic lane is clear so that I can get into the left-turn lane, or go into the traffic lane to avoid debris in the "bike lane".
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I haven't had to bail out yet, but one of these days ...It's no panacea, tho ... I occasionally get surprised by an approaching auto, particularly on windy days or busy roads.
I think I'm getting one of those superbright rear lights. I don't see any negatives to it.
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Video has gone viral. I just saw it on Facebook. Can't wait to see what idiotic responses it draws from all sides.
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The best so far is the "this is why we need more bike lanes" strain of idiotic comments. As if painting the words "BIKE LANE" to the right of the fog line would have magically held the truck at bay.
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