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Old 12-09-15, 08:37 PM
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Ha, I am more concerned about water damage. Between the fan and my breathing a bunch of the sweat drips off my nose end up on the screen.
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Old 12-11-15, 12:27 AM
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First time doing a Field Test on Zwift (not my first Field Test, though). Destroyed my PR on the forward island course, probably because I usually ride it as a set of intervals instead of at a steady pace.

Still wasn't pleasant.
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Old 12-11-15, 06:01 AM
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I did some Z2 and openers, followed by the ZTR (C) race. My legs felt like crap. I couldn't respond to the attacks, sucked wheels for a while, and DNF'd on the last lap. Ugh. I've got the weekend off the bike but I'm going to be on my feet all day both days. Double ugh.
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Old 12-11-15, 09:21 AM
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As always, I missed the ZTR races, but I was on around the same time. I was amazed by how hard the C/D guys were going, not to mention the A/B. Even some of the guys off the back were averaging over 4 w/kg, which made me wonder how much you had to expend just to hang in the draft.

Guess I better start weight doping.
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so when do we get to the point that one has to consent to random weighings and calibrations by zwift staff?
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Well, Strava owns Zwift and they deal with it, so maybe something is in development.

The C race is supposed to be 2.5-3.5 ewang average. That's something I felt that I could handle, being 58 years old, not racing anymore, but staying in shape. I guess it is all dependent on a few things. First, I have to be rested and warmed up well. Second, it depends on who shows up. Third, you really have to know the course features and when the attacks as going to take place. This was the first time that not only have raced on Watopia, I've never ridden it backwards. On the first lap the front of the field hit the gas at 4-4.5 ewang for two minutes before we hit the base of the hill. That kept me in the chase group until they hit the gas at the top. The climb is much longer going backwards. That spit me out into a small group that attacked me until I was roadkill.
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Old 12-11-15, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Well, Strava owns Zwift and they deal with it, so maybe something is in development.

Where did you hear this? I thought it was nothing more than a partnership
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Old 12-11-15, 04:55 PM
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Ok then maybe it's a partnership. Point being Strava has the capability to limit cheating.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Ok then maybe it's a partnership. Point being Strava has the capability to limit cheating.
I'm not on Strava.
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Old 12-11-15, 08:04 PM
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I'm not either. Strava would be a deal-breaker for me.
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Validating zpower by looking at strava watts... Ok.

If you want e-biopassports with stats on speed, power and weight distribution you are taking the video game too seriously.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
Validating zpower by looking at strava watts... Ok.

If you want e-biopassports with stats on speed, power and weight distribution you are taking the video game too seriously.
I just sold Zwiftkings.com and Zwiftduel.com for $873m.
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I just sold Zwiftkings.com and Zwiftduel.com for $873m.
Awesome.

Some of you guys are missing the point. I'm saying Strava has the capability to detect cheaters. Strava could assist Zwift with catching cheaters if they are interested I doing that. I didn't imply anything about using Strava data.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Awesome.

Some of you guys are missing the point. I'm saying Strava has the capability to detect cheaters. Strava could assist Zwift with catching cheaters if they are interested I doing that. I didn't imply anything about using Strava data.
how?
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Old 12-12-15, 05:27 PM
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Big data.
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Patriot Act.
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Old 12-12-15, 11:38 PM
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I think when Zwift messed with the drafting algorithm they also adjusted the solo effort algorithm. It's getting harder to get a time up on my sprint PR board, even with a equal or better effort (speed/watts).

Not that it really matters, but it's always nice to chalk one up on my PR board.

Jerseys? They're nice, but they aren't tracked past the workout. I just like to see improvement or at least a good effort once in a while.
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Old 12-13-15, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by shovelhd
Strava has the capability to detect cheaters
I think the only mechanism for detecting cheaters on Strava (which almost always just means, somebody who forgot to turn off their garmin after their ride and logged their drive home as part of the ride) is for another user to flag the ride. The accused can then un-flag the ride if they want to. I've had un-flag rides a couple of times, because despite what some people think you can actually do 20+ mph up a steep hill if it's short enough. I think at some point if a ride keeps getting flagged and un-flagged, a human from Strava will step in and decide what to do.

But there's no data-based way to detect cheating on Strava as far as I know, and if somebody really wanted to cheat and put a little bit of thought into it, there would be no impediment at all.

I don't do Zwift any more but I know that if your w/kg effort is above some maximum, Zwift automatically rejects it with a message saying something like "your trainer is not set up right, or else you are a pro" -- I only know this because there is a video of Jens doing 900w for a minute or something on Zwift and getting the message.

But detecting that a rider is doing, say, 0.5 w/kg above what they are actually capable of, either because of improper resistance on their trainer, or lying about their weight, I don't see any technological way to prevent that. If I were in charge of Zwift I would just state as a guiding principle that participants who are honest will get the most out of the product, participants who are dishonest are only cheating themselves, and it's not the game's job to even attempt to police honesty in w/kg.
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Old 12-13-15, 10:55 AM
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it's an interesting question that mirrors the doping issue. are you just cheating yourself. I could someone see waging a psychological winter war with people by always being slightly better than them. If this every went big time with legit races and all it would get complicated in a hurry.
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Old 12-13-15, 01:43 PM
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Zwift requires a login, so they know everything about you. You can weight dope, but they have the capability to know as much as a coach would know about your capabilities. Any kind of unusual trend could be spotted. What they would do with that is up for debate but as long as they have the data the possibility is there. It does bring up the ethical questions that Gary mentioned.
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Old 12-13-15, 02:16 PM
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The Zwift CEO addresses the cheating issue and what is planned to be done around the 60:00 mark on this:

https://soundcloud.com/rouleur99/zwiftcast-episode-one
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Any chance you could sum up, for those who are curious enough to want to know but not curious enough to listen to it?
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can zwift prevent cheating

he said 'the short answer is no'

the longer answer was that they're working on some stuff, but it sounds like it would be stuff that tracked some outlier effort (like Jen's 900 watt minute), or some wild improvement. Kinda like a virtual bio passport I guess. I doubt if someone took two pounds off themselves it would be able to tell.
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Zwift update today includes a custom workout editor.

As with the canned workouts, zwift tells you on-screen what to do, and gives you a visual interval end marker to pedal toward. The course terrain is still whatever it is, and your on-screen speed is determined solely by w/kg + grade, but smart trainers will react to the workout intervals rather than the terrain.


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