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Old 07-16-19, 09:37 PM
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Replacement for Campy UT-CN300?

I want to shorten my cp super record 12s chain,my country dealer told me only use ut-cn300 to shorten 12s chain,no others work.
so is there any other replacement for campy ut-cn300?
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Old 07-17-19, 07:47 AM
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To shorten a Campy chain, it's apparently OK to push out the old joining pin and put in a new one, but a new joining pin is never supposed to be installed on any other pair of outer plates. Those joining pins are pricey. I've always used a quick link, either the no-tools Wipperman, or a KMC. Then you can remove the outer plates with the joining pin and eliminate it.

The joining pin can be identified on the non-drive side of the chain. The end of the pin has a sharp indentation, where the tool peened the end of the pin.

I lot of people never use the Campy joining pin and use a quick link from the start. Then you don't need a special chain tool.

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Originally Posted by DaveSSS

I lot of people never use the Campy joining pin and use a quick link from the start.
Guilty as charged.
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Old 07-17-19, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
I lot of people never use the Campy joining pin and use a quick link from the start. Then you don't need a special chain tool.
You still need a chain tool (of some sort) to cut the new chain to size.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
To shorten a Campy chain, it's apparently OK to push out the old joining pin and put in a new one, but a new joining pin is never supposed to be installed on any other pair of outer plates. Those joining pins are pricey. I've always used a quick link, either the no-tools Wipperman, or a KMC. Then you can remove the outer plates with the joining pin and eliminate it.

The joining pin can be identified on the non-drive side of the chain. The end of the pin has a sharp indentation, where the tool peened the end of the pin.

I lot of people never use the Campy joining pin and use a quick link from the start. Then you don't need a special chain tool.
Actually, you shorten the chain from the end that finishes with an inner link so that the end finishes again with an inner link. The chain then has the other end with unused outer plates through which you push the joining pin

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Old 07-17-19, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dsbrantjr
You still need a chain tool (of some sort) to cut the new chain to size.
Yes, but any chain tool will do. I ride with a Park CT-6.3 and a spare quick-link in my bag. Good enough to fix the chain on the side of the road and get home. I've only ever had to do it once, and that was with an 8-speed chain, but that makes the difference between getting home under your own power vs calling Uber.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
To shorten a Campy chain, it's apparently OK to push out the old joining pin and put in a new one, but a new joining pin is never supposed to be installed on any other pair of outer plates. Those joining pins are pricey. I've always used a quick link, either the no-tools Wipperman, or a KMC. Then you can remove the outer plates with the joining pin and eliminate it.

The joining pin can be identified on the non-drive side of the chain. The end of the pin has a sharp indentation, where the tool peened the end of the pin.

I lot of people never use the Campy joining pin and use a quick link from the start. Then you don't need a special chain tool.
Originally Posted by dsbrantjr
You still need a chain tool (of some sort) to cut the new chain to size.
Originally Posted by alcjphil
Actually, you shorten the chain from the end that finishes with an inner link so that the end finishes again with an inner link. The chain then has the other end with unused outer plates through which you push the joining pin
Originally Posted by CyclingFool95
Yes, but any chain tool will do. I ride with a Park CT-6.3 and a spare quick-link in my bag. Good enough to fix the chain on the side of the road and get home. I've only ever had to do it once, and that was with an 8-speed chain, but that makes the difference between getting home under your own power vs calling Uber.
so will local bike shop do it for me ? I ask two lbs,they don't have ut-cn300,they usally install shimano groupsets.
so will they have a solution for me?
the campy dealer told me that super record 12 speed chain won't be used quick link,is that right?
will sr 12s chain has a new joint pin in the package or I need buy a new joint pin ?
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KMC Missing Link 12: for 12 Speed Chain, Silver, Perfectly Connecting KMC, SRAM, Shimano Chains, 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MTPYX49..._Gh8lDbCAKQKG2
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Old 07-17-19, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CyclingFool95
KMC Missing Link 12: for 12 Speed Chain, Silver, Perfectly Connecting KMC, SRAM, Shimano Chains, 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MTPYX49..._Gh8lDbCAKQKG2
This link might work, but it may be a little wide - 5.25mm rather than the proper 5.15mm. I have both campy 12 and the new sram axs 12 speed chain. The sram axs link is a bit too tight. It's better for the fit to be slightly loose. The sram eagle 12 might be a better fit. If the kmc chain is 5.25mm wide, it's really not a replacement for a Campy 12 or axs 12 chain.

Just about any chain tool can remove the campy joining pin, but use a decent fitting quick link when shortening the chain.

A new chain has a new joining pin, but you must have the campy tool to install it.
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Old 07-17-19, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CyclingFool95
KMC Missing Link 12: for 12 Speed Chain, Silver, Perfectly Connecting KMC, SRAM, Shimano Chains, 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MTPYX49..._Gh8lDbCAKQKG2
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This link might work, but it may be a little wide - 5.25mm rather than the proper 5.15mm. I have both campy 12 and the new sram axs 12 speed chain. The sram axs link is a bit too tight. It's better for the fit to be slightly loose. The sram eagle 12 might be a better fit. If the kmc chain is 5.25mm wide, it's really not a replacement for a Campy 12 or axs 12 chain.

Just about any chain tool can remove the campy joining pin, but use a decent fitting quick link when shortening the chain.

A new chain has a new joining pin, but you must have the campy tool to install it.
campy tool cn300 $120 for 2nd hand.......
too expensive......
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Old 07-17-19, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cycling2012
so will local bike shop do it for me ? I ask two lbs,they don't have ut-cn300,they usally install shimano groupsets.
so will they have a solution for me?
the campy dealer told me that super record 12 speed chain won't be used quick link,is that right?
will sr 12s chain has a new joint pin in the package or I need buy a new joint pin ?
Who will you trust? Post the contact info for your lbs so someone in this forum can ask them your questions for you.
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Old 07-17-19, 07:50 PM
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Who will you trust? Post the contact info for your lbs so someone in this forum can ask them your questions for you.
maybe local bike shop helping me for profit,the people in the forum maybe not......
but lbs don't have tools..... and they don't know how to handle it.......
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Originally Posted by cycling2012
so will local bike shop do it for me ? I ask two lbs,they don't have ut-cn300,they usally install shimano groupsets.
so will they have a solution for me?
the campy dealer told me that super record 12 speed chain won't be used quick link,is that right?
will sr 12s chain has a new joint pin in the package or I need buy a new joint pin ?
So find a shop that is familiar with Campagnolo components. There are KMC quicklinks that can be used, but you have to know how to install them. Shops that only know how to install Shimano components are not going to be helpful. Find one that is able to to deal with other manufacturers. The ut-cn300 is a tool. you have to know how to use it and its limitations. A really good bike mechanic can probably do the job using other tools that are available. Just having the tool is no guarantee that the shop actually knows how to use it. Campagnolo 12 speed is so new that very few shops will have worked with it, and very few will have expensive tools that may or may not be needed to install the component you are asking about

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Yup.. that's what I would have suggested. Though you of course also need a 12s pin.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
This link might work, but it may be a little wide - 5.25mm rather than the proper 5.15mm. I have both campy 12 and the new sram axs 12 speed chain. The sram axs link is a bit too tight. It's better for the fit to be slightly loose. The sram eagle 12 might be a better fit. If the kmc chain is 5.25mm wide, it's really not a replacement for a Campy 12 or axs 12 chain.

Just about any chain tool can remove the campy joining pin, but use a decent fitting quick link when shortening the chain.

A new chain has a new joining pin, but you must have the campy tool to install it.
I'd try this at least first. KMC says width is 5.2mm and is supposedly suited for campy:

https://KMC 12-Speed ML
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Campy chains are a pain to connect using the recommended pins but its the price of admission. I usually connect the chain with the manufactures recommended system since they would be the ones who know the system the best. The Park tool works well and not crazy expensive. Chains are not something I play around with because if it breaks the results can range from catastrophic to inconvenient neither of which are worth the hassle.
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I think you can use the Rohloff Revolver 3 chain tool as a roughly equal substitute for the Campagnolo UT-CN300, but you're not really saving any money with this option. I'm currently building an endurance bike with a Campagnolo Chorus groupset, so I'm in a similar situation. Do I take the plunge and purchase the UT-CN300 so I can do all my own chain maintenance? Or do I choose to rely on my LBS to provide chain service when I need it?

Honestly, the UT-CN300 is expensive and an "inconvenient" expense. However, the inconvenience of relying on my LBS for chain service will likely outweigh the cost of the tool. I think I'm buying the UT-CN300.
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I would say go for an Abbey Decade but that is also not a cheap tool but probably the nicest chain tool I have ever put my hands on and they designed it so it will be a bit future proof with different bottom plates for all the new standards and crap that is coming out.
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