driftwork

I live in Taiwan and a friend of mine is selling her, pretty much, pristine, BF Seasons Tikit for 850 USD.

I wanted one for years but now BF has discontinued it and there is no longer a store in Taiwan that supports them.

Here is the package:

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TYPE: Model T SIZE: Medium COLOR: Wasabi (Peppermint Green) HUB: Nexus 8 FENDERS: Planet Bike RACKS: front- two sided, back- standard
I've added Ergon GP2 grips and MKS EZY Lambda pedals. Also includes TRAVEL SUITCASE and DETOURS shopping bag. Paid USD$2269 originally

What do you guys think?

I've been saving up for a Brompton in recent years but then this came up.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Jipe

Its a good price for an almost new Tikit.

The fact that BF doesn't make it is for me not a major drawback.

But the Tikit isn't as easy to use as a Brompton, especially if you need to fold it and carry it folded often.

Winfried

Since you're in Taiwan, check the Ori M10/C8. Folds almost as compact and fast as a Brompton, for a bit less money.

If you're lucky; they might still sell the Mi8 (= Nexus 8) instead of a derailleur.

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driftwork

I've tried out the Ori before and didn't really like the ride as much as the Brompton and definitely not as much as I liked the Tikit. Also, I met the Ori folks at their booth at the Taipei International Cycle Show in 2011 and they didn't seem so entirely confident in their brand. I'm surprised it's still around Frankly.

linberl

The Tikit is an awesome bike. The fact BF no longer makes it is because it was too expensive for them to produce, not because it wasn't selling. It's an amazing bike with a huge fan base because it is an exceptional 16" riding and folding bike. If they still made it, I would have bought one instead of my pakiT (which I love). If it is your size, I'd jump on it.

2_i 

I expect that if you ever wanted to sell this Tikit, you would be able to get most of the price that the owner wants. I.e., it is not a lot of risk.

fietsbob

I have one paid about that much .. T knob or Hypertfold? Twiddly knob is the simpler one, on the bar mast..
Mine has the SRAM i-9 hub, which was unfortunately discontinued ,
to concentrate on making the trend making one by drive trains with huge cassettes.








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fietsbob

I think The Oregon company ships the completed bike to any country the buyer lives in, but no longer has dealers ,
who must add to the selling price , to support their business overhead..

driftwork

It's the hyperfold

zebede

Having owned the Ori/Mezzo and currently have Brompton and a Tikit. (The Tikit by far the longest, 10yrs+)

ALL GREAT BIKEs. For long rides MY choice would be Tikit.

Note: There was a voluntary recall on the stems, Make sure that the previous owner received and installed the replacement stem or Bike was made after the stem concerns.

For small fold WE all know the Mezzo and Brompton are the choice. Brompton winning that category with Mezzo a close second.

CliffordK

I only got Sachs hubs that are 7-speed.

Sturmey Archer still makes the CS-RF3 if one needs a 3x hub + cassette.

fietsbob

i-9 is a 9 speed internal gear hub with, being SRAM, a Grip shift, & a Cog that is different from the classic AW3..

BromptonINrio

How do you plant to fix anything if bf doesnt make it anymore.
this bits for the seatmast is kinda unique.

driftwork

Actually, I did get a response from BF and asked them that exact question.... they did not inspire much confidence in me that they would have the specialty parts available should something go wrong. It's basically... whatever we have on the shelf is what we have, for however long as it lasts.

In fact, I'd say the email I received from them, although very pleasant and helpful has led me to the conclusion that the Tikit was actually discontinued a while ago already and is on the verge of no longer being supported.

I'll be looking at a 6 speed Brompton instead.

Thanks for all the great replies and helpful advice.

fietsbob

I've been talking to service @bike Friday. no one is there , as assembly mechanics, any more, from the Tikit making era,
so asking about the hyperglide cable.. there is no one there any more knowing any thing about it..

just sent a best case situation assembly video, ..

Winfried

It always ends with a Brompton

driftwork

I wish BF luck and I hope they can get over this hump. I hope some of that government money allocated to help small businesses gets allocated to them.

2_i 

I am not sure you are making a right decision skipping the Tikit. My BF New World Tourist predates, to the best of my knowledge, Tikit production by BF. I do not recall ever needing any special custom part that could not be obtained from other sources. When I wanted some frame modification, I went to a local framebuilder. It is Brompton that utilizes tons of specialized components, which is how they achieve the tight fold, but BF uses mostly run of the mill components. When you have a bike, you can ride it and you are not forced to jump on the cheapest and maybe not optimal Brompton option that ever comes around.

driftwork

Not quite sure I understand your last sentence... but I think I get the gist of your idea. As luck would have it, I live in one of the epicenters of high end bicycle manufacturering in the world (Taichung City) so finding resources to fix what might need fixing isn't so much of a big deal. After some research though.. it really seems like BF is going through some tough times and it's hard to see where they will be in a year. That plus the email I received from their support department really does not inspire confidence.

​​​​I totally agree that, ten years ago, BF Tikits were the folding bike to buy for urban commuting. I've ridden about a dozen different kinds of folding bikes and the Tikit was my absolute favorite. I know this has been discussed to death... but I'd also say that the Brompton is only about 10% less of a good ride by comparison. The brakes and gear shifters being the primary difference between the two when comparing the ride with the Tikit being much superior.

However, in the ten years that I've been looking at folding bikes, BF has peaked and ebbed while Brompton has quadrupled its distributorship here in Taiwan.. and I'm assuming....around the world. While the Brompton does have many proprietary parts, there are also a ton of shops everywhere in the developed world that'll fix them.

Alas, my other reason for turning down the Tikit was because the seller decided she wanted to keep the travel suitcase, shopping bag, peddles and the saddle but not reduce her price at all.

Too bad

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Winfried

Since you "live in one of the epicenters of high end bicycle manufacturering in the world (Taichung City)", I would suggest getting 1) a single-speed Brompton, 2) a standard width rear triangle, and 3) have a Nexus/Alfine gear hub installed: For not much more money, you'll get the same or even a wider gear range than Brompton's exotic gear hub + derailleur option.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33024325243.html

driftwork

Very cool!

Thank you!

Winfried

Too bad no one 1) makes a 135mm triangle out of steel and 2) retails it in Europe/North America for a more reasonable price.

2_i 

What I mean is that a cheap Bromptons that might come in the second-hand market might not be particularly good. They might need an overhaul, there might be rust issues there and, while it could not be obvious to the eye, the Brompton features were optimized over time and features might be inferior in the bikes from earlier years.

If I were her, I would not get rid of the bike at all, but then people have different considerations and situations. Interesting I chose identical suitcases for my general travel, as BF for the bikes, before I learned about the BF's choices. Pedals are a bridge too far even for me.

fietsbob

Actually reading up it seems S-A 8 speed can be thinned down on the left end,
but the smallest cog is bigger than Brompton uses, normally .. & it's all 1:1 + 7 overdrive gears to make a fairly small chainring desirable..

https://www.kinetics-online.co.uk/fo...n-8-speed-kit/

Jipe

Kinetics make a stainless steel rear triangle compatible with Alfine 8-11 and Rohloff.