Dynamo hub .
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Dynamo hub .
I put shimano alfine DH s501 dynamo hub on a dt tk540 rim. The hub produces 6 volts 3 watts .It's the second one I have set up. The first one is on my fuji touring bike. For it I bought a supernova light and sinewave charger its great. I love the whole set up. This second set up is real low budget just for pleasure riding. I used a 1000 lumen flashlight that ran on 4 aa batteries. I soldered my wires to the terminals. It works. However there is a very high speed flicker wich is good for traffic dureing the day but not so much for night riding and there is no stand light. It goes off as soon as I stop. I was wondering if I could run my wires to a group of 4 rechargeable aa batteries and then the light wires from the batteries. Would the dynamo charge them? The batteries would then keep the lights on at stops. My experience with wiring pretty much stops at residential stuff. I web searched but quickly became confused. Do I need a capacitator or some other part? If so can I scavenge it from something like an old radio or pc? Part of this project is to be as cheap as possible
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The hub likely produces 6 volts AC and the LED only lights on alternate half-cycles which is why it flickers. You cannot charge batteries with AC. You might be able to hook up a bridge rectifier to convert the AC to DC which would double the flicker frequency to where you might not notice it, or you could put a capacitor (minimum 15V, correct polarity) across the bridge output to filter the pulsations and perhaps store enough energy to keep the light lit for a short time after stopping, the so-called standlight function. I would start with a 1000 microfarad, 15V capacitor; how long it would keep the light lit depends upon how much current the LED draws.
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The hub *does* produce AC. It's probably not a good idea to run a DC light off an AC power source; LEDs have circuitry to drive them, unlike incandescent bulbs. You would be better off getting an inexpensive light intended to run off a dynohub.
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Thanks for the answers! I, for some reason thought it was dc. Lol
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Incandescent lights are used AC or DC. Houses & cars.
Running AC to an LED means it's turned OFF more than 50% of the time. It's a DIODE!
It's off when the current flow is negative.
It's off when the current flow is positive UNTIL the voltage reaches the "turn on" point.
You can use a bridge rectifier to turn AC to DC, but each diode involved is going to cause a nominal 0.2 to 0.4V drop. You can't afford a lot of those drops on a 6V circuit.
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Dyno hubs can produce well over 100 volts AC. To be useful, this needs to be rectified to DC and limited to the desired voltage. The link here may be helpful to you.
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Yeah, I guess so. I was trying to be brief. There's a lot more inside the LED lights that I've seen than LEDs and rectifiers. The electronics can be complicated.
EDIT: Here's why I said the electronics can be complicated. Attached are images of the inside of a Tern "Valo 2" headlight designed to run off of a dynohub. Attaching a light like this to a DC source *might* work, but also might damage the light. There is a DC version of this light for e-bikes.
Here's the inside of the light showing the circuitboard and the LED element (barely visible).
The LED element is just above the pop-rivet in the red circle.
EDIT: Here's why I said the electronics can be complicated. Attached are images of the inside of a Tern "Valo 2" headlight designed to run off of a dynohub. Attaching a light like this to a DC source *might* work, but also might damage the light. There is a DC version of this light for e-bikes.
Here's the inside of the light showing the circuitboard and the LED element (barely visible).
The LED element is just above the pop-rivet in the red circle.
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OP's original plan should work with the addition of a rectifier. The simplest scheme would be to place a 1N4002 between the dynamo and battery positive, with the other dynamo wire to battery negative. The end with the stripe (cathode) connects to the battery. This is a very cheap part, and also easily scavenged. The problem with scavenging is to recognise the part you need, but you could try posting a photo of your junk's internals.
The batteries need to be capable of absorbing the dynamo current even when charged. 6V/3W/half-wave gives 250mA, so high-capacity AA NiMh cells (2200 mAH capacity) should do it. With a nominal 1000lm light connected, the batteries will not charge with the lamp on. A bridge rectifier would double the output, requiring bigger batteries for prolonged riding with lamps off.
I have not tested these rectifier/battery arrangements myself.
The batteries need to be capable of absorbing the dynamo current even when charged. 6V/3W/half-wave gives 250mA, so high-capacity AA NiMh cells (2200 mAH capacity) should do it. With a nominal 1000lm light connected, the batteries will not charge with the lamp on. A bridge rectifier would double the output, requiring bigger batteries for prolonged riding with lamps off.
I have not tested these rectifier/battery arrangements myself.
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You can get those bike light that have micro usb port for charging, which is 5V DC, so putting a diode on the 6V dynamo might work to trickle charge to keep it at full charge all the time. But I fail to see its utility, unless maybe you bike across country on wild back roads or offroads without access to AC main.