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Old 07-30-20, 11:12 AM
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Former GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain dies after battle with coronavirus

Herman Cain dies of COVID

Cain had attended Trumpís rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, less than two weeks before receiving his diagnosis.
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This is of course sad news. The US now stands virtually alone with its uniquely terrible response to the coronavirus. Over 150,000 Americans have died. Other nations have managed to deal with this so much better than we have. That is the real story of the pandemic.
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Sad, is the grandfather dying because his grand-daughter had to party.... Sad is a child being run down and killed by a company's decision to hire and push hard unqualified "drivers" so the company can take advantage of a pandemic.... Sad, is a life based on hoarding wealth and leading an extravagant life while denying it to over 99% of the world through your greed and decisions.... Sad is continuing those wholly unbeneficial decisions to the bitter end....

The finality was predictable....
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Too many people have died and there are some that still don't believe in it. We should take it serious.
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I'm convinced there is a serious streak of insanity that runs through many people. An example among many is the man who proclaimed to be anti abortion and believed in the sanctity of life but then waited outside an abortion clinic and gunned down the MD. In delusional people the thinking seems to fall into a rut and can't see a way out. Examples are to be found not just in extreme behavior like the example just cited. It is found in supposedly rational people such as the WHO that had evidence in hand about covid-19 infection but did not soon enough credit that evidence because they thought they already had an answer. There was a very good article in a Sunday NY Times several weeks ago about this. They failed to ask questions and if you do not ask questions you never learn anything. Those who deny the pandemic are also delusional but I can't imagine what premise they are operating from. In any case, an inability to deal with reality is a quite good definition of insanity.
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...in his death, as in his life, @ THEHermanCain stands as a valuable example to all of us.
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I seriously doubt he denied it. I think he rolled the dice to support his ideology and ended up crapping out. After all, most of the people who become infected survive.
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Whoa, just saw some of his tweets in the P&R Amusing Images thread.
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Impeach trump again, for murder
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Donald J. Trump is the dully (correct spelling) elected President of the United States. He was elected, in part, because many of those who complain now had better things to do on November 8, 2016 than vote. If the same thing happens again on November3,2020 we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

In my view, impeachment is a bad idea because it means others have to make up for what Americans failed to do in 2016. Complaining is good, but voting is better.
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I guess after he beat the 30% odds to survive colon and liver cancer, he figured he was bulletproof. Turns out he was 74, had chemotherapy a decade ago, and was probably in the absolute highest risk group for COVID-19.
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Old 07-31-20, 11:31 PM
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It's sad to hear when anyone dies before their time. Herman Cain was not the kind of person I would have supported,
yet it is sad, to see somebody die (partly?) because of their support of a particular political ideology.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I seriously doubt he denied it. I think he rolled the dice to support his ideology and ended up crapping out. After all, most of the people who become infected survive.
But "surviving" after a serious avoidable disease is not the same as simply not having it, through relatively easy means. Surviving means seriously ill in many cases, and potential long term negative effects. Wouldn't be far better just to avoid it? As the old saying goes: "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

If you hate wearing a mask... I really doubt you'll enjoy wearing a ventilator.
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I think, fundamentally, the collective IQ of the body politic of the US has uniquely regressed to the point where a large percentage of the population now view science as nothing more than an ideological set of opinions that they are "free" to disagree with, with no negative consequences.

This did not happen spontaneously, nor did it happen overnight. It has taken many years of very dedicated efforts, undermining the educational system and morphing the news media into organs of partisan propaganda (Faux news is only one extreme example of a systemic problem).

This hasn't happened to nearly the same extent in Europe or other English-speaking nations, and the differences are quantifiable, in the infection rate and death tolls.

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But "surviving" after a serious avoidable disease is not the same as simply not having it, through relatively easy means. Surviving means seriously ill in many cases, and potential long term negative effects. Wouldn't be far better just to avoid it? As the old saying goes: "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

If you hate wearing a mask... I really doubt you'll enjoy wearing a ventilator.
Of course it would be better to avoid it (at least if self preservation is an instinct you possess), but thatís not how his ilk think. ďI will roll the dice because even if I get it most people donít get seriously ill or die.Ē He crapped out. But my original point was that I donít think he denied the existence of the disease. I think he took a chance and lostóbig time.

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
This is of course sad news. The US now stands virtually alone with its uniquely terrible response to the coronavirus. Over 150,000 Americans have died. Other nations have managed to deal with this so much better than we have. That is the real story of the pandemic.
History rarely is generous enough to provide us with a controlled experiment for interpreting an event. In this case we have an abundance of controls (Europe, Asian countries including China, and at the other extreme, Brazil). We will fail to learn from this at our own peril.
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I think, fundamentally, the collective IQ of the body politic of the US has uniquely regressed to the point where a large percentage of the population now view science as nothing more than an ideological set of opinions that they are "free" to disagree with, with no negative consequences.

This did not happen spontaneously, nor did it happen overnight. It has taken many years of very dedicated efforts, undermining the educational system and morphing the news media into organs of partisan propaganda .
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History rarely is generous enough to provide us with a controlled experiment for interpreting an event. In this case we have an abundance of controls (Europe, Asian countries including China, and at the other extreme, Brazil). We will fail to learn from this at our own peril.
This is exactly right. We are running what social scientists call a natural experiment. The results are in. No administration in a wealthy, advanced democracy has done as poor a job with this as the US. The president's lack of competence in running the machinery of government and disregard for science are in full display.

This is precisely when you need a federal government to set out a national plan. As of today there is no plan, testing is inadequate, contact tracing a joke, and many governors--including that of my state Iowa--refuse to take this seriously. Opening up schools and colleges under these circumstances will compound the problem.

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Originally Posted by Tony P. View Post
Donald J. Trump is the dully (correct spelling) elected President of the United States. He was elected, in part, because many of those who complain now had better things to do on November 8, 2016 than vote. If the same thing happens again on November3,2020 we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

In my view, impeachment is a bad idea because it means others have to make up for what Americans failed to do in 2016. Complaining is good, but voting is better.
I believe this is true in large part, but I also know people I would not have thought in a million years would support Trump outright, but did so to spite Clinton thinking what's the worst that can happen. I know some that regret it and some that still think it was the lessor of evils even though they admittedly think he's an ass. I do not know how any those folks voted in the primaries, but beside myself he actually got the far. I literally wept the morning I woke up and found he pulled it off.

PS, rural MO is full of pro Trump bill boards, and field signs.

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Finally, I can post in P&R.

Oh . . . wait . . .
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talking about COVID without talking about how poorly the US is doing compared to other wealthy democracies around the globe ignores the elephant in the room.

Death rates in the US are shockingly high compared to other wealthy (i.e., those with first class medical systems) democracies:

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...26i-story.html

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
talking about COVID without talking about how poorly the US is doing compared to other wealthy democracies around the globe ignores the elephant in the room.
Also, if someone argues being ordered to put on a mask is a form of tyranny and oppression, and someone else counters, "no, it is a science-based public health directive", the respondent isn't engaging in a political discussion. Rather, they are pointing out this shouldn't be a political debate.
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