Erik_A

I just got the "Canyon is Here" email with info that the USA website is live.

My guess is that they will sell a lot of these Canyon Endurace CF SL Disc bikes at $1999 (or aluminum at $1499)

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road/en...cf-sl-disc-7-0

I emailed them at us@canyon.com to ask what is the max tire clearance (front and rear) for both the Canyon Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 and the Endurace Al Disc 7.0

I know that it comes with 700 x 28c tires, but can it fit 700 x 45c gravel tires? What about max width on 650b rims? Maybe 650b x 52c tires?

• FRAME CANYON ENDURACE CF SL DISC
• FORK CANYON ONE ONE FOUR SLX DISC
• HEADSET CANYON | ACROS
• REAR DERAILLEUR SHIMANO 105, 11S
• FRONT DERAILLEUR SHIMANO 105, 11S
• BRAKE/SHIFT LEVERS SHIMANO 105 DISC, 11S
• BRAKES SHIMANO 105 DISC
• CASSETTE SHIMANO 105, 11S
• WHEELSET DT SWISS E 1800 SPLINE DB
• TIRES CONTINENTAL GRAND PRIX SL
• CRANKS SHIMANO 105, 11S
• CHAINRINGS 52 | 36
• CHAIN SHIMANO CN-HG600-11
• BOTTOM BRACKET SHIMANO PRESSFIT
• STEM CANYON V13
• HANDLEBAR CANYON H17 ERGO AL
• HANDLEBAR TAPE CANYON ERGOSPEED GEL
• SADDLE SELLE ITALIA X3 CANYON EDITION
• SEAT POST CANYON S23 VCLS CF (25 MM SETBACK)
• SEAT CLAMP CANYON INTEGRATED SEAT CLAMP
• FRAME SIZES 2XS, XS, S, M, L, XL, 2XL
• COLOR STEALTH | STORMGREEN
• WEIGHT 8,1 KG (SIZE M)

Are you looking for a way to jumpstart your training program again, and want to integrate a little adventure riding? The Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 carbon road bike offers a lightweight yet durable solution to all your long distance adventures. If up till now you have been reluctant about being pulled into the marketing hype around endurance, do-everything bikes, you’ll find it heartening that that Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0, with a frame weighing only 960 g in size medium, first and foremost an excellent racing bike. With a sport geometry that slackens off a little on the aggressive you’ll still be able to hunch into a tuck low on the bars and chase down your buddy who sprung a surprise attack on you. The carbon frame of this Endurace CF SL Disc hits that fine balance between stiff responsiveness and soft compliance over rough roads. The bike has been intelligently spec’d with high-quality but well-priced Shimano 105 groupset. You’ll get the performance without the expensive bells and whistles. And then pairing the frame with the DT Swiss E 1800 Disc wheels will ensure a durable resistance to road imperfections while still giving you the snappy rigidity. The Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 will be the race-ready option to buy for your endurance adventures.

Spoonrobot 

It's ok but really they're trying to move into a space that's been pretty saturated by Diamondback and Raleigh as well as REI/Performance house brands.

For example, the discounted Diamondback Century 5 carbon is the same price at $1,994.99 with better groupset and the discounted Diamondback Century 4 is $1,574.99 and offers pretty much the same specs. Endurance road, like road bikes before are essentially fungible goods and I'm not convinced the road racing cache Canyon has gained in the past few years is enough to give them significant market share to move large numbers of bikes - especially combined with the current down market. Right now, in the US, bikes at all levels are very good and very cheap and it's going to be hard to do much in the next 6-7 months.

Erik_A

Both of those Diamondback Century bikes from 2016 have standard road caliper brakes:

https://www.rei.com/product/876882/d...rbon-bike-2016

If the Canyon fits 700 x 45c tires on the OEM wheels, they will sell out.

vinuneuro

Endurace is purely a road bike that competes with Specialized Roubaix, BMC Roadmachine, etc. Max tire size is 30 or 32.

Spoonrobot 

We are well into the 2017 model year and the 2017 Century 5 and Century 4 feature Ultegra/105 Hydraulic discs.:

https://www.diamondback.com/century-5-carbon-3665
https://www.diamondback.com/century-4-carbon-3587

I couldn't imagine why an endurance road bike would be made to fit 700x45 tires? That's squarely in gravel/cross/adventure territory and that clearance level for those types of bikes has been pretty common for a year or two now.

Sell out? At $2k? That price point is massively saturated, I don't think this bike has much to differentiate it from the several other options that are the same thing.

Ah, you edited your original post with more info. I think you are conflating endurance road and gravel bikes, the market is still defining but so far they're not the same thing. There is some overlap but endurance road as noted above will max out with much smaller tire sizes and are generally not built to handle the same terrain as a gravel bike.

Lazyass

It's not a gravel bike. I would be surprised if it even fits 32's. It is an outstanding bike for the price, light wheels even.

TimothyH

I'm more interested in their mountain bikes than anything else.

Erik_A

I guess for bigger rubber it would need to be either the $1799 INFLITE CF SLX 8.0 or the $2999 INFLITE AL SLX 8.0 - cx bikes.

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road/inflite

Inflite AL SLX 8.0 Pro Race - $1799 info:

• FRAME CANYON INFLITE AL SLX
• FORK CANYON F21 - ONE ONE FOUR SL DISC
• HEADSET ACROS THE CLAMP
• REAR DERAILLEUR SRAM RIVAL 1, 11S
• DERAILLEUR HANGER NO. 23
• BRAKE/SHIFT LEVERS SRAM RIVAL 1, 11S
• BRAKES SRAM RIVAL 1
• CASSETTE SRAM PG-1130, 11S
• WHEELSET DT SWISS CR 1600 SPLINE DB
• TIRES SCHWALBE X-ONE, 33 MM
• CRANKS QUARQ PRIME, 11S
• CHAINRINGS 40
• CHAIN SRAM PC-1110
• BOTTOM BRACKET SRAM GXP PRESSFIT
• STEM CANYON V13
• HANDLEBAR CANYON H17 ERGO AL
• HANDLEBAR TAPE CANYON ERGOSPEED GEL
• SADDLE SELLE ITALIA X1
• SEAT POST CANYON S23 VCLS CF (25 MM SETBACK)
• SEAT CLAMP CANYON CLAMP SL
• PEDALS NONE INCLUDED
• FRAME SIZES XS, S, M, L, XL, 2XL
• COLOR MIAMI SUNSET
• WEIGHT 8,8 KG (SIZE M)

For anyone serious about buying a top-line racing cyclocross bike, but doesn’t have the extra funds or personal sponsorships, the Inflite AL SLX 8.0 Pro Race will be a perfect option. Equipped with much of the same high-level components as the CF SLX 8.0 Pro Race, this version of the bike will save you loads with only the most modest weight gain. The AL SLX frame made from a smooth welded alu includes vibration-reducing seat stays that will work to channel your pedal power to the trail. Similarly, the oval chain stays offer greater clearance for the tires while keeping the back-end super stiff. The VCLS technology used for frame and fork ensure that the ride is comfy while keeping the frame effective and responsive. The SRAM Rival groupset will be a reliable companion, and for the crank you’ll even get the power meter-ready X1-compatible Quarq Prime aluminum crank. The touch points are all Canyon in-house parts that are designed to keep the handling sharp and the comfort high with the H17 Ergo AL handlebars, V13 durable stem, and the Canyon S23 CF seatpost. The DT Swiss CR 1600 Spline DB wheelset combined with the 33mm Schwalbe X-One tubeless compatible tires will form a durable, responsive team to keep your momentum over tough sections and grip in a wide range of course conditions. The Inflite AL SLX 8.0 Pro Race will get you through the cross season with ease and within budget.

Lazyass

Their geo chart blows. Doesn't even list the BB drop.

TimothyH

Why do the geometry charts for their road bikes say that the wheels are 28"?


-Tim-

50voltphantom

Was thinking the same thing.

RJM

Meh.

fietsbob

Country of origin sticker , still Taiwan?

mstateglfr 

Your old shtick is boring. You need to come up with fresh material.

mstateglfr 

Because its a German company and some companies over there represent 622m wheels as 28". Its just as accurate/inaccurate as calling a tire 700c. Are all 700c tires actually 700mm in diameter when inflated?...of course not, yet we use 700c still.

622mm wheels take 28" tires, 29" tires, and 700c tires.

And now you know the rest of the story

Erik_A

Question:

What is the max tire clearance for both the Canyon Endurace and the Inflite series. for 700 vs 650b wheels


Answer:

Thank you for your email.

We are very proud of the fact that the Endurace was designed with using larger sized tires in mind. That being said it's max tire clearance is 33mm with a 700c wheel.

We did not design it to be used as a gravel bike and as such did not give it clearance for the bigger tires. We have not tested tire sizing with any 650b wheels but that should afford you some extra clearance.

The Inflite has clearance for up to a 700x38mm tire.

Sadly I do not have clearance measurements on using a 650b sized rim as we have not tested it with these wheels.

All the best,

Ian

Service Center | Canyon Bicycles USA Inc.

eppan

I saw on another forum someone fitted 33m Challenge GRavel Grinders (which eventually measured 36mm wide), and those barely fitted with few mm to spare on new Endurace Disc. The front has bit more clearance than the back.

I'd also be interested if a 2" 650B tire/wheel combo would fit as that should roughly equal same overall diameter on 33m / 700C tire.

Marcus_Ti

Naming conventions.

A 700C is variously called "29er" or "28-inch" or simply 700C depending on who's advert copy you read. Campagnolo for example IIRC refers to their 700C wheels as "28 inch". Least they did last I checked.

fietsbob

TW, bike factory to the world, they got good at it because they grew big by being the best for less..

cfsruiz

I just got my Canyon Endurace this week and tried fitting some extra Hunt 650b wheels I had lying around. The wheels have some cheap continental 35c tires on them; they're temporary.

Marking the widest parts of the tire with tape on the frame, the max in the rear I measured was 44mm on the chain stays. The seatstays have more than enough clearance. The front fork measured 49mm at the widest point. It's a shame the rear doesn't have more space because the seat stays have a ton of space.

The two tires I'll try fitting to the front are the WTB Bywy and Resolute. Doubtful the Byway will fit the front. For the rears I'll test Schwalbe G-one All-arounds 40mm and the Resolute. Even if these fit, I may not ride with them given the measured spacing.

chas58

Let me know. I would be surprised if you could go that big. The tire doesn't always align well with the widest part of the chain stays. I go as big as 40mm rear and 54mm front on my inflite.

cfsruiz

Test results on a pair of Hunt 650b Adventure sport wheels:
Front fork can barely take the WTB ByWay 47mm tire. The rubber "feelers" (the hair-like bits that will break off over time) rub ever so lightly. It spins without issue. Not sure if it will ride without rubbing, but I'll try anyways.

Rear chainstay clearance didn't fit the WTB Resolute (42mm) nor did it fit the Schwalbe G-on 40mm tire. The Schwalbe would nearly spin all the way, but it'd still rub the frame in one spot. Definitely not rideable without serious damage to the frame over time. The rear does fit 35mm tires, but if it fits 700x33, I'm not sure there's much point in losing height for two mm. I'm sure 38mm tires would fit.

So, the question becomes, are those extra mm in width in the rear it worth the hassle?
I'm not sure; maybe I need to go for a ride. ha!

Apparently I'm too new to post my photos, so if you all want them, an admin needs to give me permission .

cfsruiz

That's 40mm for a 700c wheel, right?

Just to be clear, I measured 44mm clearance for 650b wheel. My last post proves that not to work. :-(

Facanh

IMO not at all. I would happily switch from something like 700x38 to 650x47-50, but that small gain is not worth it IMO.

chas58

yep. 40 mm barely works with a grail or carbon Inflite (700c).