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Giving up Ti and going back to carbon

Old 07-16-19, 07:22 AM
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Maybe something from this list of mfgers.

https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide...es-weve-ridden
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Old 07-16-19, 07:45 AM
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If you need an explanation you won't understand.


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That looks good.........But Aluminum bikes aren't as cool as CF or Ti. You can't brag about them at the office watercooler. That's the real issue with Al. Maybe if you pronounce aluminum like the Europeans do, people will listen to you. Otherwise, people will tune you out.
mmmmmm, because my bike is around 5 grand total (carbon wheels, seat post, dual sided power meter, integrated carbon handlebar/stem, etc.) It's actually pretty good conversation to bring up cycling with a coworker, tell them you have "some aluminum bike", let them brag about their value carbon one for a few minutes, then plan to go on a ride later. When you show up with a faaasssssttt, beautiful aluminum bike, it kind of blows their minds.

Also, seriously, for the price of that litespeed frameset, which weighs more than most of the aluminum equivalents, you can get a whole disc brake CAAD 13 with SRAM DISC FORCE ETAP AXS.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
If you need an explanation you won't understand.
I understand perfectly that you are confused. If you studied my bike you would understand itís much lighter and harder to produce than your engin. And itís a lot more unique in design as well and has proven itself on the biggest stage. The engin is a beautiful boutique bike donít get me wrong but itís not as good as the vortex.
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Some of you folks might find it useful to back off of the constant attack mode. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Old 07-16-19, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by firebird854 View Post
mmmmmm, because my bike is around 5 grand total (carbon wheels, seat post, dual sided power meter, integrated carbon handlebar/stem, etc.) It's actually pretty good conversation to bring up cycling with a coworker, tell them you have "some aluminum bike", let them brag about their value carbon one for a few minutes, then plan to go on a ride later. When you show up with a faaasssssttt, beautiful aluminum bike, it kind of blows their minds.

Also, seriously, for the price of that litespeed frameset, which weighs more than most of the aluminum equivalents, you can get a whole disc brake CAAD 13 with SRAM DISC FORCE ETAP AXS.
You mention the word SRAM and people run the other direction as fast as possible to get away.
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Old 07-16-19, 08:41 AM
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Well...are you going to elaborate on the Litespeed comment? Engin versus Litespeed...discuss.
I wouldn't buy an Engin because there's no e on the end of the word. If I'm going to buy a really expensive bike, I want a motor on it.
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Old 07-16-19, 12:53 PM
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I wouldn't buy an Engin because there's no e on the end of the word. If I'm going to buy a really expensive bike, I want a motor on it.
The second E is just redundant extra weight.
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
I wouldn't buy an Engin because there's no e on the end of the word. If I'm going to buy a really expensive bike, I want a motor on it.
You mean it's not about the bike, but rather about the engine?
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
I wouldn't buy an Engin because there's no e on the end of the word. If I'm going to buy a really expensive bike, I want a motor on it.
How expensive do you think my frame was in 2015 (sans Cerakote finish, which was my election)? Keep in mind that we are talking about custom geometry and tube sizing built by one man who also runs a LBS and who twice won best MTB at NAHBS.

And just so you know, you cannot buy one without at least one in-person fitting, "e" or no "e" at the end of the name.
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Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
The second E is just redundant extra weight.
Wahoo has a thing against E's too.
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Old 07-16-19, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
You mean it's not about the bike, but rather about the engine?
Exactly. Unfortunately, no matter what level/kind of bike you give me to ride, the engine will never measure up. I will be the designated "sweeper" of the ride.
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Old 07-16-19, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
How expensive do you think my frame was in 2015 (sans Cerakote finish, which was my election)? Keep in mind that we are talking about custom geometry and tube sizing built by one man who also runs a LBS and who twice won best MTB at NAHBS.

And just so you know, you cannot buy one without at least one in-person fitting, "e" or no "e" at the end of the name.
Lighten up. Evidently, the word play went right over your head. Read it again. It has nothing to do with your bike and everything to do with the brand name.

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Old 07-16-19, 03:30 PM
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I like the aluminum suggestion. Seems OP is looking for an all weather commuter and by his own admission is neither an avid nor particularly knowledgeable cyclist. If buying new, may as well get current standards of 12mm TA and flat mount discs. Shop around and you might even find something with a proper threaded bb as well!
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
I like the aluminum suggestion. Seems OP is looking for an all weather commuter and by his own admission is neither an avid nor particularly knowledgeable cyclist. If buying new, may as well get current standards of 12mm TA and flat mount discs. Shop around and you might even find something with a proper threaded bb as well!
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. I already bought a madone as well if you read the first page lmao.
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vortex

I have an '03 vortex that I bought new in 04, it cost an arm and a leg.It replaced a sweet ritchey logic that weighed a couple
of pounds more.
It's a sweet riding bike but has limitations.
I can break any bike and have broken aluminum mtbs in the past.
The litespeed broke under the head tube and lite speed replaced the head tube for $500 .
What you don't see in the article about racing litespeeds in the tour and classics is that every single rider complained
the bikes were a noodle.
It doesn't bother me, I weigh 135lbs , but while the lite speed was being redone at litespeed I bought a CAAD 10.
It weighed about the same but was noticeably stiffer as is any carbon bike I've ridden.
To the OP don't replace it, it's a classic, just suck it up, buy a cheap carbon with discs if you want
I'd rather do a 100 miler on the vortex than anything else and it will stand up to a lot more abuse in storage in my truck
or in a wreck than any carbon bike.
Still on the original carbon fork....................
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I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. I already bought a madone as well if you read the first page lmao.
You've got me there slick! I scrolled through all four pages and still can't find mention of you buying a Madone. I may need a vision check as well as remedial reading!
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The Madone seems an odd choice for you, though it looks very nice. For the disc version, the lowest component level appears to be Ultegra and I'm pretty sure I recall from another recent thread that you had compared and decided Ultegra and DA provided no functional benefit. Nevertheless, New Bike Day is always fun, be sure to post pics and initial impressions
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
You've got me there slick! I scrolled through all four pages and still can't find mention of you buying a Madone. I may need a vision check as well as remedial reading!
I did not see this either.

Maybe he meant he is a Mad One?
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I did not see this either.

Maybe he meant he is a Mad One?
That's what I'm talking about! Zingers coming left and right. It makes for a more interesting thread.
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This thread has not disappointed.
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This thread has not disappointed.
You mean it has not jumped the snark?
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You mean it has not jumped the snark?
You're on a roll.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
I did not see this either.
+1, so I did a search. Madone wasn't mentioned in this thread until the OP chastised shelbyfv for not seeing it on the first page. Maybe he's got another thread floatin' around and he can't keep 'em straight.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
don't worry, a $2500 Ultegra disc equipped bike isn't going to use an 840g frame.
This is a good point to remember. Sprint bikes are also made of carbon and they are designed to handle 1,000 plus watts.
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