Dan Burkhart 

I can't pin down the exact year because apparently Tommaso did not do model years. NOS 8 speed Sachs 5000 group with NOS Sachs Maillard hubs.

nomadmax 

What size is it ?

Dan Burkhart 

54

DMC707

Very very clean machine from the early 90’s actually withan 8 speed cluster - if it was Sachs itwas probably still a freewheel

enthusiast level Cromor frame looks in great condition. The whole bike looks like it was just pulled out of a box

id say $500 - based solely on condition. Sachs 500 is the rough equivalentof tri color Shimano (New Success wasthe top level group) and Tomasso (Bill Semonian) had a weird business model - kinda like Bikes Direct before there was a BikesDirect.

A year or 2 ago, there was some dealership selling Ironmans in the box for 7or 800 IIRC, so maybe you could price this like that and see what happens,

almost worth more tokeep as a rider than to sell

Dan Burkhart 

Thanks. I don't think it was originally an 8 speed. Dropouts are 126. It was purchased as a frame set by my customer who sent it to me to have the wheels built. He also sourced the group set separately. He is thinking about selling it, so I offered to put the feelers out for him on what would be a reasonable price.
As all components are NOS I expect it would be valued at the high end of the range.
The hub is freewheel.

DMC707

could very well be a slightly older frameset than the group for sure then - not much though , likely exactly as you surmised’ late 80’s. I was thinking 92 or 93 as thats when Sachs really seemed to be making progress in competing with other companies.

- No matter, - everything looks like it plays well together

nomadmax 

That's a very sellable size. I have to agree, that bike is worth $500.00 USD. I'm not sure what it comes to in CDN. It's a house brand for Ten Speed Drive Imports owned at the time by Tom Eason. They were built by Billato in Italy and painted here. The name is a play on his first name, as was the clothing line was as well.

TT measurement C to C?

Dan Burkhart 

I measure it at 55.

nomadmax 

Bill Semonian (who changed his name to Bill McGann) founded Torelli Imports and wasn't associated with Ten Speed Drive Imports or Tommaso bicycles. TDSI was founded and owned by Tom Eason of Florida until he eventually ran it into the ground. As mentioned, the name Tommaso is Italian wordplay on Eason's first name.

thinktubes 

Probably 1989 or later, since Columbus changed the the tubing name from "Matrix" to "Cromor" in '89.

I have a similarly aged TSD Battaglin which is also Cromor. Very good rider.

You might have to be patient to get $500, since both the frame and group aren't household names.

DMC707

i had my Pseudo Italian a-holes mixed up! 😂😂😂.

Do you know if the Tommaso frames were built in Italy at least or was it another Torelli smoke n mirrors show? But i would honestly have ridden either with pride back in the nineties.

nomadmax 

Happens to me all the time. I mean it

Yes Tommaso frames were made in Italy by a company called Billato. The bike in this thread is very nice example of a TSDI frame/bike. What's worse, it's my size.

Billato BIKES

rjhammett

Billato built bikes are very nice. I own a couple including a Tommaso. Tommaso bikes were also built with SLX, SL, TLX, TSX steel. Yours is CROMOR which would fall below those. $500 might be optimistic.

DMC707

Tommasso was doing it right then (or trying to). Billato is highly regarded by many!

nomadmax 

By me for sure This is also a Billato and one of my favorite bikes.



Sorry for the thread drift.

DMC707

i dont see much of a drift, as more info gives the OP , Dan, a little more information inhelping sell this rig,

A moderately knowledgable potential buyer may not know much about the Tommasso name, but if its from the same shop that builds Gooch, early Lemonds, Marin’s steel road frames, and many more ——- Might give that person more peace of mind or buyer satisfaction

Dan Burkhart 

The bike is not mine to sell, but it is currently in my custody. Just trying to get a sense of it's value to assist the owner. You all have been a great help, thank you.

canyoneagle

If it were mine to sell, I’d sell off the groupset, wheels and frame separately.
It is all in nice shape, but you could likely garner a higher sum selling separately.

groupset: $350-400
wheelset: $150-250
Frameset: $200 ish?
ancillaries (bars, stem, saddle, etc): $50-75

just some initial thoughts.

the Sachs group on its own is cool, even if it is not their top end. The NOS aspect adds value IMO