Modern Steel Road Bike Appreciation Thread
04-29-16, 09:42 AM
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I suppose there is room for you in this tent. Along with all the other 'tudes.
04-29-16, 09:47 AM
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If you want to argue the semantics of modern steel bikes, start your own thread for that.
04-29-16, 09:47 AM
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Maybe you should start a thread called "post pretty pics of steel bikes I can buy new," because this is called the Modern Steel Road Bike Appreciation thread, and as I've tried to make clear, there is a legit distinction to be made between "new" and "modern," at least for those of us with more sophisticated interests.
04-29-16, 09:51 AM
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Maybe you should start a thread called "post pretty pics of steel bikes I can buy new," because this is called the Modern Steel Road Bike Appreciation thread, and as I've tried to make clear, there is a legit distinction to be made between "new" and "modern," at least for those of us with more sophisticated interests.
04-29-16, 09:51 AM
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Maybe you should start a thread called "post pretty pics of steel bikes I can buy new," because this is called the Modern Steel Road Bike Appreciation thread, and as I've tried to make clear, there is a legit distinction to be made between "new" and "modern," at least for those of us with more sophisticated interests.
04-29-16, 10:08 AM
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Try to get along in the next thread..Thanks
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04-29-16, 10:26 AM
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So typical.
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04-29-16, 09:31 PM
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Alright guys, we're going to give this another try.
Regarding that orange Black Mountain bike, one guy says it's modern, another guy doesn't agree, that's where we'll leave it. We will agree to disagree. Nobody is giving out any prizes for being right so whats the point of arguing. That's it, squash the argument.
And I do not want to start seeing arbitrary rules popping up in here, so forget the 1996 rule, that will only lead to further fights. Modern is modern, whatever! This is a nice mellow thread, let's keep it that way. If you don't agree with something just nod and move along, no big deal.
Regarding that orange Black Mountain bike, one guy says it's modern, another guy doesn't agree, that's where we'll leave it. We will agree to disagree. Nobody is giving out any prizes for being right so whats the point of arguing. That's it, squash the argument.
And I do not want to start seeing arbitrary rules popping up in here, so forget the 1996 rule, that will only lead to further fights. Modern is modern, whatever! This is a nice mellow thread, let's keep it that way. If you don't agree with something just nod and move along, no big deal.
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04-29-16, 10:03 PM
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I read this thread to look at pictures of bikes I can never afford. So far it's been a big success for me.
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04-29-16, 10:07 PM
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04-30-16, 06:27 AM
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10-06-16, 08:37 PM
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Looking for a good steel frame road bike, vintage or modern.
I've been doing some research on older steel frame road bikes. I especially like the Centurion and Schwinn mid range road bikes of the 1980s vintage. I recently found a Specialized Allez Steel Road Bike Campy equipped selling for $700 on CL. Any opinions or advice from roadies would be appreciated!
10-06-16, 10:13 PM
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I've been doing some research on older steel frame road bikes. I especially like the Centurion and Schwinn mid range road bikes of the 1980s vintage. I recently found a Specialized Allez Steel Road Bike Campy equipped selling for $700 on CL. Any opinions or advice from roadies would be appreciated!
Centurion Ironman, Schwinn Tenax-tubed lightweights and the chrome Raleighs are all good mid to late 80s Japanese bikes. Mostly still affordable too. Reynolds 531, Reynolds 753 and Columbus SL/SLX/SP tubing are the more prevalent quality framesets from the era. I just finished building up a 1987 Raleigh 531c frameset with modern wheels and 11spd 105 group. 57cm bike weighs in at 20.3lbs. Not too shabby for a 30 year old frame and fork and a load of fun to ride.
10-06-16, 10:49 PM
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Last edited by Cyclist0108; 01-21-18 at 03:28 PM. Reason: removed dead links. One pic of a boring black bike I guess is more than enough
10-09-16, 12:42 PM
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Here is my modern steel. Masi cyclo-cross in a retro manner. Ghissallo wood sew up rims on DT 240 hubs. Challenge 27mm Paris Roubaix sew ups. I run the stock aluminum rims (clincher) for the most part - my wood rims smell like they are on fire on big downhills (!), not to mention they are very flexible wheels.
I am building up a bike on this now.
I am building up a bike on this now.
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10-10-16, 05:22 PM
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Would be cool to have a modern custom steel bike but with a dynamo hub like the Schmidt, nice lights, fenders, and a frame pump. The classic styling looks fantastic.
10-10-16, 05:55 PM
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I've been very happy with Condor Fratello. Decided to go with Force 1x as I didn't currently have the drivetrain on a road bike. Great ride and really glad I went with the steel fork versus the standard carbon fork. Full build came out to a hair under $1700 USD.
10-10-16, 08:36 PM
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I've been doing some research on older steel frame road bikes. I especially like the Centurion and Schwinn mid range road bikes of the 1980s vintage. I recently found a Specialized Allez Steel Road Bike Campy equipped selling for $700 on CL. Any opinions or advice from roadies would be appreciated!
10-10-16, 09:07 PM
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"I've been very happy with Condor Fratello. Decided to go with Force 1x as I didn't currently have the drivetrain on a road bike. Great ride and really glad I went with the steel fork versus the standard carbon fork. Full build came out to a hair under $1700 USD."
Cool bike. Did you order it directly from Condor in the UK?
Cool bike. Did you order it directly from Condor in the UK?
10-11-16, 01:53 PM
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What you're failing to see is that you keep changing the terms. First you asked, "why not fillet braze?" It is fillet brazed. Then you say the paint "obliterates any suggestion of precision, thoughtfulness, or skilled handiwork," but I'm willing to bet you've never seen a lugged steel ISM junction before, let alone with custom made lugs, two things right there-- even if you don't know fillet brazing when you see it-- that reek of "precision, thoughtfulness, and skilled handiwork," and which, arguably, cannot be made without those things.
So do you know what you're talking about? I don't think so. I think you don't like the paint job and don't get the aesthetic, and are trying to cook up some clever sounding rationale to explain it's not to your taste, because you like old style stuff.
Everything on that bike is rendered in monochrome paint -- from the seat mast topper to the headset dust cover-- and matte black components, expressly for the purpose of presenting a uniquely uniform aesthetic, which compels the viewer to look at the bike in the whole, yet you want them to highlight junction details which would directly contravene the overarching aesthetic goal.
To say you don't "get it" is a wild understatement, and you should be happy to leave it there. Immanuel Kant said there is no argument if a man says something is pleasing to him, rather than pleasing in and of itself. Beauty is not an intrinsic truth, but an agreed upon property of a thing. Suggesting that bike is wearing an "unflattering sack" is proof that you are interested only in your simple opinion, and unable to aggregate an aesthetic interpretation which doesn't correspond with a narrative of precedent forms. I suppose that's more of a post-modernist approach, but your example of a detail pic of old fashioned lug work would confirm that you're not there yet.
So do you know what you're talking about? I don't think so. I think you don't like the paint job and don't get the aesthetic, and are trying to cook up some clever sounding rationale to explain it's not to your taste, because you like old style stuff.
Everything on that bike is rendered in monochrome paint -- from the seat mast topper to the headset dust cover-- and matte black components, expressly for the purpose of presenting a uniquely uniform aesthetic, which compels the viewer to look at the bike in the whole, yet you want them to highlight junction details which would directly contravene the overarching aesthetic goal.
To say you don't "get it" is a wild understatement, and you should be happy to leave it there. Immanuel Kant said there is no argument if a man says something is pleasing to him, rather than pleasing in and of itself. Beauty is not an intrinsic truth, but an agreed upon property of a thing. Suggesting that bike is wearing an "unflattering sack" is proof that you are interested only in your simple opinion, and unable to aggregate an aesthetic interpretation which doesn't correspond with a narrative of precedent forms. I suppose that's more of a post-modernist approach, but your example of a detail pic of old fashioned lug work would confirm that you're not there yet.
10-11-16, 06:23 PM
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10-12-16, 12:26 AM
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Yep. The logistics of working with them directly was easier than trying to go through a reseller. Plus several of them weren't excited about shipping to the US. Very happy with the bike and my experiences with them.
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