YOUR CALVES ARE CRAMPING - you're still riding - what do you do?
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YOUR CALVES ARE CRAMPING - you're still riding - what do you do?
On yesterday's ride my left calf started cramping occasionally around mile 30. I stretched it out by planting my heel and then leaning forward as far as possible, fine-tuning the pressure using my arms to control my angle leaning against a tree.
[I screwed up by not drinking enough water - 3 bottles of water, 1 of cider - it was about 75 but I was riding fairly slowly and making several long (30 minute) stops - sculpture museum, hot rod car show, pizza place, farm stand.]
Unfortunately the tale has a sad ending! [Very punny!] I was trying out a new saddle, a Selle Italia Max Flite, to see if I had finally found a comfy perch and the answer was NO!
- It seemed to help but is there something better to do?
[I screwed up by not drinking enough water - 3 bottles of water, 1 of cider - it was about 75 but I was riding fairly slowly and making several long (30 minute) stops - sculpture museum, hot rod car show, pizza place, farm stand.]
Unfortunately the tale has a sad ending! [Very punny!] I was trying out a new saddle, a Selle Italia Max Flite, to see if I had finally found a comfy perch and the answer was NO!
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I think this is one of those things that are better to prevent rather than try to cure.
Drink a lot of water, do some light stretching before you go out and warm up before you go hard. Some people cramp up easier than others. Generally, a good level of overall fitness reduces the chances of cramping up during any sort of exercise.
If you do get cramps while out on the roads. Get off, and relax for a minute. Then try to loosen the calf (several ways to do this) and continue riding once the tension is gone. Do this when you feel the first signs of tension, not when you have a full on cramp ( at that point, it will be harder and take longer to get rid off). Once you continue cycling, pick a gear and choose to pedal in such a way to go easy on the calves (between 3 and 6 o clock in your pedaling motion). This will get you home without injury.
Too bad the saddle did not work out for you.
Drink a lot of water, do some light stretching before you go out and warm up before you go hard. Some people cramp up easier than others. Generally, a good level of overall fitness reduces the chances of cramping up during any sort of exercise.
If you do get cramps while out on the roads. Get off, and relax for a minute. Then try to loosen the calf (several ways to do this) and continue riding once the tension is gone. Do this when you feel the first signs of tension, not when you have a full on cramp ( at that point, it will be harder and take longer to get rid off). Once you continue cycling, pick a gear and choose to pedal in such a way to go easy on the calves (between 3 and 6 o clock in your pedaling motion). This will get you home without injury.
Too bad the saddle did not work out for you.
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I have found that when I start to cramp (rare but it happens) in either my calf or thigh I will stand on my pedals; not actually pedal or maybe only once or twice; but just stand up and flex....when I sit back down I feel the blood rush over and my muscles relax/stretch out a bit.
Just my .02
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If your calves are cramping, it could be a fit issue. I would expect your thighs to cramp, not your calves. Everyone is different though.
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For cramping you might consider your nutrition supplements. Potassium; magnesium & sodium. Don't overdo the magnesium or you'll get loose stools.
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Read this article about the Pickle juice research done at Brigham Young University.
It's been working for me.
It's been working for me.
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My calves periodically cramp (not severely) on rides also but i generally recognize the signs of impending cramps and deal with it before they become full cramps. I usually have pretty good success stretching the calves while riding - if you have clipless pedals, just put your foot down at the bottom of the pedal strike, lower your heel as much as you can and enjoy the stretching sensation you get. Repeat with the other foot. Once that's over with, I generally try to avoid riding toe-down (which is another way of saying I'll try to focus on keeping my heel a little lower than normal) and that seems to help as well.
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It's almost certainly not a hydration issue. Sounds like you were drinking plenty, and besides, insufficient hydration/electrolytes isn't actually that well supported as a cause of cramps. See this Science of Sport series: https://www.sportsscientists.com/2007...ories-and.html.
I agree with the poster who said it sounds like your fit is off. I would add to that the question of overall fitness. I would take a look at your cleat position and/or saddle height. If you're putting a lot of strain on your calves because of your riding position, that would likely contribute to cramping. My first thought is that you should consider moving your cleats back so there's less of a lever force on your foot that your calf has to compensate for. Good luck.
I agree with the poster who said it sounds like your fit is off. I would add to that the question of overall fitness. I would take a look at your cleat position and/or saddle height. If you're putting a lot of strain on your calves because of your riding position, that would likely contribute to cramping. My first thought is that you should consider moving your cleats back so there's less of a lever force on your foot that your calf has to compensate for. Good luck.
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I also will periodically fill a cramp coming which I recognize I put that pedal at 6 o'clock stand straight up push my heel down and stretch that calve as much as I can it helps me.
If its my thigh I will put it at 12 o'clock so its stretched as much as possible on the bike if I can I'll take my thumb and stretch out the muscle like a massage method this helps me.
But drink plenty and try to prevent it first but sometimes it happens.
If its my thigh I will put it at 12 o'clock so its stretched as much as possible on the bike if I can I'll take my thumb and stretch out the muscle like a massage method this helps me.
But drink plenty and try to prevent it first but sometimes it happens.
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I only get cramps in my calves occasionally when I get off the bike or put a foot down at a stop and get back on. Then it's a race to get my foot clipped in and pedaling... if I can start pedaling before it's a full fledged cramp it's usually not so bad.
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Cramping is due to a lack of fitness but it can be aggravated by hydration and heat issues. The best way I have found to deal with a cramp is to let it cramp and pedal through it. In other words, you let the muscle cramp and then force it to stretch against its will. It is painful. Really painful. But after an episode of full cramp/pedal through, the cramp goes away and doesn't come back. I have never found adding electrolytes to work. Electrolytes might stave off cramping, but once you are there, all the salt tablets/pickle juice/gatoraid in the world won't make them disappear.
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Had terrible cramping issues last year. Usually calf cramps and would hit around the 35-mile marker into an intense ride. Mostly in warmer weather also. This spring, I started taking over-the-counter Magnesium and Potassium vitamin supplements. Just one a day in the morning, (but did take two the morning of a hilly century ride last month). Haven't cramped even once since I started taking the Mg and K pills.
The owner of one of my LBS asked me if I believed in "old wives tales". He said what works for him, when he cramps, is to down one of those little fast-food restaurant mustard packets. I've been riding with two, but haven't had a chance to test his "theory" because it looks like my cramping days are behind me, (yeah!).
The owner of one of my LBS asked me if I believed in "old wives tales". He said what works for him, when he cramps, is to down one of those little fast-food restaurant mustard packets. I've been riding with two, but haven't had a chance to test his "theory" because it looks like my cramping days are behind me, (yeah!).
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Cramping is due to a lack of fitness but it can be aggravated by hydration and heat issues. The best way I have found to deal with a cramp is to let it cramp and pedal through it. In other words, you let the muscle cramp and then force it to stretch against its will. It is painful. Really painful. But after an episode of full cramp/pedal through, the cramp goes away and doesn't come back. I have never found adding electrolytes to work. Electrolytes might stave off cramping, but once you are there, all the salt tablets/pickle juice/gatoraid in the world won't make them disappear.
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In the OP's case it seems pretty obvious that the new saddle is suspicious... if it's not comfy, he's going to subconsciously try to lighten the pressure on his crotch... most likely by using his dominant calf. Presto, cramp-o.
I know something about cramps in long road races, since I get them pretty much every time. I've read everything I can find, tried endless formulations and the best I can tell you is that "Science" seems to think that cramps are not caused by dehydration or electrolytes... best correlation from plain old fatique, second best from plain old heat. This assuming bike fit is not the root cause.
I will testify that mustard packets and pickle juice seem to help... but not until the cramp is already started hard to say with scientific accuracy, just my experience.
I know something about cramps in long road races, since I get them pretty much every time. I've read everything I can find, tried endless formulations and the best I can tell you is that "Science" seems to think that cramps are not caused by dehydration or electrolytes... best correlation from plain old fatique, second best from plain old heat. This assuming bike fit is not the root cause.
I will testify that mustard packets and pickle juice seem to help... but not until the cramp is already started hard to say with scientific accuracy, just my experience.
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Moving my cleats back ever so slightly on my feet made me much less prone to cramping. The further back your cleats are the less you engage the calf muscle. But if you tweak your cleat position your saddle position will change slightly as well.
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OP here - FWIW:
First, this was a plea for "what do you do when cramps happen?" Not, "why did I cramp?" I described how I stretch because I thought maybe someone had a better technique. I appreciate the suggestions about stretching while riding by changing my position and the angle of my foot, although I already do that (standing, heel as far down as possible, leaning forward as far as possible. By the time I stop, that is having almost zero effect and I am focused on getting off and stretched before I cramp so hard I have a very tough time getting off the bike.
Second, responding to some of the posts:
Thank all you non-HTFU responders. Thank you very much. I really appreciate your suggestions and observations.
Mustard? I'll have to try that, although hopefully I won't need to.
Ice? That seems worthwhile to try, although it's hard when you're out pounding it out in the boondocks. But if my legs cramp at home (like they did last night), I will try that. The cramps are scary.
First, this was a plea for "what do you do when cramps happen?" Not, "why did I cramp?" I described how I stretch because I thought maybe someone had a better technique. I appreciate the suggestions about stretching while riding by changing my position and the angle of my foot, although I already do that (standing, heel as far down as possible, leaning forward as far as possible. By the time I stop, that is having almost zero effect and I am focused on getting off and stretched before I cramp so hard I have a very tough time getting off the bike.
Second, responding to some of the posts:
- I ride 150-160 miles a week, most of my rides are at least 30 miles, and I've done at least a dozen 50+ mile rides this year. So cramping at 30 miles (not easy but not hard either) is very unusual.
- I did, however, run into a series of problems that kept me off the bike for 6 days, the longest stretch this year. So this might have merit. Hopefully I won't get many opportunities to do that again!
- To H with all you "HTFU" people. I am confident I've got more experience toughing it out than most of you in whatever AND I'm asking for help, not idiotic mantras of "you're just a sissy." Who are you to decide I am not willing to suffer enough? I am cramping because of idiocy or chemistry or whatever, but absolutely NOT because I'm not trying hard!
- I am quite sure I did not ride very differently because of the saddle - I've been searching for a long time for a saddle that doesn't have me stretching and repositioning after 20-30 miles. I adjusted the fore/aft and angle of the seat several times on the ride, searching for the optimal position. I'm an old hand at this - I've done it with a dozen seats. And the best seat so far is a piece of junk semi-comfort seat with a large cutout that I got at a garage sale for $2 (new) - Serfas, no model. I just sold my Brooks 17, I've mostly used the Specialized Avatar, but I have quite a few miles on a similar Fizik (sp?).
Thank all you non-HTFU responders. Thank you very much. I really appreciate your suggestions and observations.
Mustard? I'll have to try that, although hopefully I won't need to.
Ice? That seems worthwhile to try, although it's hard when you're out pounding it out in the boondocks. But if my legs cramp at home (like they did last night), I will try that. The cramps are scary.