Where is the lightweight aero future we've been promised?
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Aero bikes arent really THAT much more expensive. IMO its juat that ALL pretty high quality bikes are ludicrously expensive these days. Also I've noticed aero bike often tend to be a bit higher specced than traditional bikes by the same maker.
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Lol yea to be fair I generally get a flat about once every few thousand miles also. However..i have a feeling if I rode group rides more consistently than I do...I'd get significantly more flats...its juat harder to avoid things when you view of the road is more limited.
Regardless...in spite of the voice of some here advocating here for tubulars...what say you of the fact it is virtually unheard of for people to be riding tubulars? When is the last time anyone saw somebody else riding tubulars that wasnt in a cross race?
Regardless...in spite of the voice of some here advocating here for tubulars...what say you of the fact it is virtually unheard of for people to be riding tubulars? When is the last time anyone saw somebody else riding tubulars that wasnt in a cross race?
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I belong to a club of about 150 members. But, on any given Saturday morning group ride there are about 60-75 people out on the club rides. We have everything from a Beginner ride to an A ride. Usually 6 different rides. Of all those people there are no more than 5-6 people on tubulars. Maybe. And, they are all ex-racers. I've always ridden clinchers. But, about two months ago I went to Mavic USTs. Not going back. These things are awesome.
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I belong to a club of about 150 members. But, on any given Saturday morning group ride there are about 60-75 people out on the club rides. We have everything from a Beginner ride to an A ride. Usually 6 different rides. Of all those people there are no more than 5-6 people on tubulars. Maybe. And, they are all ex-racers. I've always ridden clinchers. But, about two months ago I went to Mavic USTs. Not going back. These things are awesome.
But yea, if I was a retired racer with a couple nice sets of tubular wheels, and a box full of tubular tires, thats probably what I would ride as well. But the determining factor would be price, NOT performance or practicality. FREE is a hell of a deal relative to $500, $1000, or much more.
I just dont see ANYONE building/buying a bike, and then looking for $1000 new tubular wheels aside from current CX racers. Even then there is stiff competition from tubeless setups, which are a much better choice if the CX bike is going to be a multi purpose bike, as it is for many people. I have yet to see people using a CX bike on a gravel race with 40mm tubulars lol
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I anticipate aero-climbing bikes with clearance for 34's and proprietary combo stem-handlebars and D shaped seat tubes. Perhaps with a catch name like "Ever-slip."
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I just bought a set for JRA. Tape and sealant make it a whole new thing.
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Also, designing and refining stems and bars with internal cables/hoses is a new cost for the frame makers, rather than just picking something from a catalogue. It might be a bit cheaper if there's ever some standardisation that allows third-party gear to be an option.
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I'm convinced that the handlebar is too low on most bikes.
I hardly ever see riders in the drops. Some people do entire rides and never leave the hoods.
Raising the bar a few CM would let some of these riders get into the drops and make them much more aerodynamic.
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I hardly ever see riders in the drops. Some people do entire rides and never leave the hoods.
Raising the bar a few CM would let some of these riders get into the drops and make them much more aerodynamic.
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I'm convinced that the handlebar is too low on most bikes.
I hardly ever see riders in the drops. Some people do entire rides on aero bikes and never leave the hoods.
Raising the bar a few CM would let some of these riders get into the drops and make them much more aerodynamic.
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I hardly ever see riders in the drops. Some people do entire rides on aero bikes and never leave the hoods.
Raising the bar a few CM would let some of these riders get into the drops and make them much more aerodynamic.
-Tim-
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https://road.cc/content/news/133598-...ker-down-hoods
I'm thinking however, that if riders can't get into the dropes for a decent period of time then they likely can't ride from the hoods in the optimal horizontal forearm position for any length of time either.
Maybe regular stretching would help create free aerodynamics?
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It's a shame they didn't test the imaginary aerobars position.
Then again, I need the stupid mistakes thread, I tried to get into the IABs the other day with flat tops and sweaty arms, it's a wonder I didn't crash.
Then again, I need the stupid mistakes thread, I tried to get into the IABs the other day with flat tops and sweaty arms, it's a wonder I didn't crash.
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Level forearms in the hoods is usually more aero than a similarly-low posture with extended arms in the drops, but the severe elbow bend also tends to require more tension in the upper body (a problem that aerobars solve by supporting the elbow). The hand position also tends to have less security and braking control.
Both postures are useful.
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Lol yea to be fair I generally get a flat about once every few thousand miles also. However..i have a feeling if I rode group rides more consistently than I do...I'd get significantly more flats...its juat harder to avoid things when you view of the road is more limited.
Regardless...in spite of the voice of some here advocating here for tubulars...what say you of the fact it is virtually unheard of for people to be riding tubulars? When is the last time anyone saw somebody else riding tubulars that wasnt in a cross race?
Regardless...in spite of the voice of some here advocating here for tubulars...what say you of the fact it is virtually unheard of for people to be riding tubulars? When is the last time anyone saw somebody else riding tubulars that wasnt in a cross race?
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I'm convinced that the handlebar is too low on most bikes.
I hardly ever see riders in the drops. Some people do entire rides and never leave the hoods.
Raising the bar a few CM would let some of these riders get into the drops and make them much more aerodynamic.
-Tim-
I hardly ever see riders in the drops. Some people do entire rides and never leave the hoods.
Raising the bar a few CM would let some of these riders get into the drops and make them much more aerodynamic.
-Tim-
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If you have a power meter, there's an answer to that question.
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Scott Addict HMX frame: 770 grams
Scott Foil HMX frame: 840 grams
That’s a difference of 70 grams — less than a sixth of a pound.
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Yes, I think you are correct.
https://road.cc/content/news/133598-...ker-down-hoods
I'm thinking however, that if riders can't get into the dropes for a decent period of time then they likely can't ride from the hoods in the optimal horizontal forearm position for any length of time either.
Maybe regular stretching would help create free aerodynamics?
-Tim-
https://road.cc/content/news/133598-...ker-down-hoods
I'm thinking however, that if riders can't get into the dropes for a decent period of time then they likely can't ride from the hoods in the optimal horizontal forearm position for any length of time either.
Maybe regular stretching would help create free aerodynamics?
-Tim-
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There were pretty substantial differences to - not just a couple of watts. It was like 30+ between some of the bikes i believe in the 300 watt range.
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You know, perhaps just an infinitesimal fraction.
Eliminating the hassle of glue isn't the biggest deal with tape. We can actually get our tyres on perfectly straight now.
Or maybe eliminating the hassle is the biggest deal, since it can make the difference between using tubulars or not. There's a speed difference for you.
Eliminating the hassle of glue isn't the biggest deal with tape. We can actually get our tyres on perfectly straight now.
Or maybe eliminating the hassle is the biggest deal, since it can make the difference between using tubulars or not. There's a speed difference for you.
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You've gotta try 3T Aeronova. Or if the price of entry is too high, Toseek do a copy for pocket change.
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