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Old 09-15-20, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
I think this is the key... the grub screw that sets the tilt eventually displaces some aluminum in the plate that it bears against. This causes a lack of tension in the main bolt, which allows it to loosen.
I've got a few of these on my bikes, and have had this issue happen on one of them. After re-tightening it, the problem never occurred again.

The first generation seems a bit better in this respect. In the photo below, the first gen is on the left, and the 2nd gen (I believe) is on the right. The first gen has a rounded tip on the grub screw and hasn't produced any deformation in the plate that it contacts. The later generation design just has a bevel on the tip of the grub screw and this does produce some observable deformation in the aluminum plate.



The first gen is distinguished by the seat post having the head and the shaft machined out of a single piece.
The later gen bonds a separate head to the shaft.

As a bit of a disclaimer, I weigh about 155 pounds and tend to be fairly gentle on components. A more gravitationally enhanced person might reasonably have more trouble with this seatpost.

Steve in Peoria
Thanks for that detailed info as I didn't know there were two generations of this post. I weigh 165 lbs and usually think of myself as fairly light in the saddle, but have had AC post clamp bolts loosen up for no particular reason after hundreds of miles of being just fine. Last year, I was on a century ride, and almost exactly at mile 50, the bolt loosened. Unfortunately, the multitool I had with me wasn't quite long enough to reach the bolt head without me removing the grub screw first. That meant tightening up the bolt, but leaving the saddle at a bit of a nose up angle for the second 50 miles. I adjusted, and I've taken to putting a drop of red loctite on the bolt threads, and all has been fine since.
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Old 09-15-20, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Thanks for that detailed info as I didn't know there were two generations of this post. I weigh 165 lbs and usually think of myself as fairly light in the saddle, but have had AC post clamp bolts loosen up for no particular reason after hundreds of miles of being just fine. Last year, I was on a century ride, and almost exactly at mile 50, the bolt loosened. Unfortunately, the multitool I had with me wasn't quite long enough to reach the bolt head without me removing the grub screw first. That meant tightening up the bolt, but leaving the saddle at a bit of a nose up angle for the second 50 miles. I adjusted, and I've taken to putting a drop of red loctite on the bolt threads, and all has been fine since.
Why not blue loctite? With the red you may have a tough time removing in the future.
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
I think this is the key... the grub screw that sets the tilt eventually displaces some aluminum in the plate that it bears against. This causes a lack of tension in the main bolt, which allows it to loosen.
I've got a few of these on my bikes, and have had this issue happen on one of them. After re-tightening it, the problem never occurred again.

The first generation seems a bit better in this respect. In the photo below, the first gen is on the left, and the 2nd gen (I believe) is on the right. The first gen has a rounded tip on the grub screw and hasn't produced any deformation in the plate that it contacts. The later generation design just has a bevel on the tip of the grub screw and this does produce some observable deformation in the aluminum plate.



The first gen is distinguished by the seat post having the head and the shaft machined out of a single piece.
The later gen bonds a separate head to the shaft.

As a bit of a disclaimer, I weigh about 155 pounds and tend to be fairly gentle on components. A more gravitationally enhanced person might reasonably have more trouble with this seatpost.

Steve in Peoria
I have a 27.2 Mountain Bike AC seat post tucked in a box somewhere. This one is longer and seems to be a little heaver. I've never used it on a mountian bike but have used it over the years on road bikes. What is the word on those, any issues?

A friend was severely injured from a snapped AC post so have always been a bit skeptical of the standard road model.
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Old 09-15-20, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
That's not a Laprade but a Campy SR right there ^^^^


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...I get them confused sometimes. Probably the fumes from the paint.
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Old 09-15-20, 03:36 PM
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Deda make a "classic" style silver seatpost that isn't too expensive, although it is quite long and you may want to cut it.

Also, some used Gipiemme seatposts can be found online that are pretty good. Mostly one bolt.

Does everyone really prefer the two-bolt stuff? I see a lot of talk about Campagnolo two bolt posts, but to be honest I always found single bolt easier to deal with.

Originally Posted by nlerner
I also like American Classic and can often be found for $30 or less. Very lightweight but somewhat prone to loosening when you least want it to, so I've taken to applying loctite to the clamp bolt.
I got a used bike (from a really skinny guy) with one of these posts. I didn't know anything about them and assumed it wasn't particularly special. But then I updated the bike with some other components and decided to weigh it out of curiosity. I couldn't believe that the AC post was the lightest of all my options. And now I know why...
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Old 09-15-20, 04:14 PM
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...IIRC, this is a Laprade, without any paint in the recessed facets. They also come in a sort of black anodized top version, and frequently appear in the 27.0 diameter.
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Old 09-15-20, 04:24 PM
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If you like 2 bolt Campy with setback you will like the 2 bolt Nitto S83 with setback. About $100 but out of stock most places now.
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Kalloy posts come in every size, length and configuration possible, for the lowest cost, from the world's largest producer of seatposts, bars, stems (plus Zoom suspension forks).

Seems the silver ones with zero offset are harder to find lately, so I grab every one I can find.
Strong as heck and usually a lot longer than needed.
25.6mm post shown here:




As for the lightweight or "weight-weenie" posts, it's the combination of rearward saddle offset and dynamic loading that does them in.
I'll probably never break one since my short torso has me positioning all of 145# well forward.
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Old 09-15-20, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo
Does everyone really prefer the two-bolt stuff? I see a lot of talk about Campagnolo two bolt posts, but to be honest I always found single bolt easier to deal with.
Don’t know about “everyone”, but I prefer two-bolt posts (1st gen VO Long Setback is a favorite) because the saddle angle can be easily and finely adjusted without disturbing anything else, quite valuable with leather saddles, at least for my “princess b**t”.

And FWIW, I never had a problem with AC posts, but haven’t used them in a while (and a pound or two) because they don’t have sufficient setback with my current frames.
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Old 09-15-20, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BFisher
Why not blue loctite? With the red you may have a tough time removing in the future.
Yeah, I likely got my colors mixed up. I'm using the one that's not a permanent bond!
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Old 09-15-20, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
Don’t know about “everyone”, but I prefer two-bolt posts (1st gen VO Long Setback is a favorite) because the saddle angle can be easily and finely adjusted without disturbing anything else, quite valuable with leather saddles, at least for my “princess b**t”.

And FWIW, I never had a problem with AC posts, but haven’t used them in a while (and a pound or two) because they don’t have sufficient setback with my current frames.
I just bought a VO long setback post (only it was black) but man what a nice seat post and I believe they make a silver one.
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
Don’t know about “everyone”, but I prefer two-bolt posts (1st gen VO Long Setback is a favorite) because the saddle angle can be easily and finely adjusted without disturbing anything else, quite valuable with leather saddles, at least for my “princess b**t”.
Am I doing something wrong? My experience is almost exclusively with modern Deda two-bolt posts, but I find that when I start to tighten them up the final turns on the rear bolt start to change the angle significantly. I take this into account, and adjust the front accordingly, but I don't find it to be a super precise method (as it seems the final angle will be determined by how tight I make the rear bolt). What am I doing wrong?
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo
Am I doing something wrong? My experience is almost exclusively with modern Deda two-bolt posts, but I find that when I start to tighten them up the final turns on the rear bolt start to change the angle significantly. I take this into account, and adjust the front accordingly, but I don't find it to be a super precise method (as it seems the final angle will be determined by how tight I make the rear bolt). What am I doing wrong?
I don't know if there's a trick or not but I've never had a problem. I do however know what you're speaking of. You just got to keep things into account. If you tighten up the back bolt and the angles changing then tighten up the front a little more. Anyways once you get them set they're set. I had a race face two bolt post like this and I could adjust the tilt by loosening one bolt a set amount of turns and tightening the other bolt the same amount of turns and you can watch the seat tilt as you did it. I will say with this velo orange long setback post though you don't seem to have that ability. It seems like I have to loosen both the front and the rear and then physically make my adjustment and then tighten them both up equally. I'm not sure what the difference is but the race face post is a joy to adjust
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I have a Dura Ace Easton 27.2 uncut that I don't need if you're interested. I can PM you a cl link if you want

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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
I don't know if there's a trick or not but I've never had a problem. I do however know what you're speaking of. You just got to keep things into account. If you tighten up the back bolt and the angles changing then tighten up the front a little more. Anyways once you get them set they're set. I had a race face two bolt post like this and I could adjust the tilt by loosening one bolt a set amount of turns and tightening the other bolt the same amount of turns and you can watch the seat tilt as you did it. I will say with this velo orange long setback post though you don't seem to have that ability. It seems like I have to loosen both the front and the rear and then physically make my adjustment and then tighten them both up equally. I'm not sure what the difference is but the race face post is a joy to adjust
The 1st gen VO posts used one forward, one aft bolt as in photo below so tilt adjustment can be very subtle and precise, like the race face you describe. Seems like they fixed something for gen 2 that was a long way from “broken”.

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The Truvativ very long setback post, in the 26.8mm needed for the Miyata, was originally a black shaft, as in this photo.



It took less than hour with fine sandpaper followed by “Simichrome” polish for this. I was careful not to extend the sanding much below the seat lug area to preserve the original clamping diameter.

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Originally Posted by dddd
Kalloy posts come in every size, length and configuration possible, for the lowest cost, from the world's largest producer of seatposts, bars, stems (plus Zoom suspension forks).
+1. Kalloy Unos are light and have worked well for me. Cheap, too, at $25 or less.
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Originally Posted by Dfrost
The 1st gen VO posts used one forward, one aft bolt as in photo below so tilt adjustment can be very subtle and precise, like the race face you describe. Seems like they fixed something for gen 2 that was a long way from “broken”.

interesting. It took me a while to see the difference because mine also has one forward and one aft bolt. Without being around my bike now I can't remember. Did they invert that top piece between the first and second generations? I can't remember if mine has a smile or a frown

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Nitto man, Nitto. I have no idea why they are called 'crystal fellows' but whatever, they are right up there with campy or better, and they make a 2 bolt too, for purists. The S65 is fine for most people. There's even a NJS approved JDM Jaguar super tough seatpost if you're hardcore.

Kalloy Uno rocks for a low cost seatpost. They are solid and hard to beat for the price. Take the logo off with acetone.
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Originally Posted by trail_monkey
interesting. It took me a while to see the difference because mine also has one forward and one aft bolt. Without being around my bike now I can't remember. Did they invert that top piece between the first and second generations? I can't remember if mine has a smile or a frown
I don’t own a Gen 2 VO post, so have to judge from their website pics and user photos. On the Gen 1, the seat clamping pieces have a convex surface on the underside, and corresponding concave (“smile”, I guess) surface at the top of the post. The fore and aft bolts create the pivoting action at this interface. Those website photos show a different and less precise angle adjustment, as described elsewhere in this thread.

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