Help to identify my 1960 Japanese 10-speed?
#1
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
Help to identify my 1960 Japanese 10-speed?
I'm posting this at the suggestion of my son. It will be an impossible mission, but I would dearly love to determine the manufacturer of a 10-speed I got when I was 8 years old, in 1960. My grandfather won it as a prize at the newspaper where he worked, and gave it to me.
I couldn't reach the pedals at first, but I used it all through the 60s, during high-school and college. I even used it to ride from San Francisco to LA in 1973. It was stolen in '77 or '78.
I never thought to write down the manufacturer. I didn't even take a photo of it. Kicking myself.
But the other day, I was looking at an old family home movie, and by golly, there it was in a very short segment! See below if you'd like to see a screenshot of my mom with the bike. Unfortunately in the home movie, this view and one from the rear all there is.
The bike was gold, had a Japanese badge and components, and a nifty bag attached to the rear bike rack. It came with white plastic fenders, and had white brake and shift cables. The handlebars were wrapped with white tape.
I realize it's foolish to be asking about this when I have so little information about the bike. But I'm sure happy I ran across this movie segment!
I got on this forum specifically to ask this question. But it won't let me post! Says something about needing 10 posts before it'll put in a URL.
I put the photo in imgur, and here is the link, if anyone is interested.
imgur.com/gallery/BywOLqa
Thanks much…
I couldn't reach the pedals at first, but I used it all through the 60s, during high-school and college. I even used it to ride from San Francisco to LA in 1973. It was stolen in '77 or '78.
I never thought to write down the manufacturer. I didn't even take a photo of it. Kicking myself.
But the other day, I was looking at an old family home movie, and by golly, there it was in a very short segment! See below if you'd like to see a screenshot of my mom with the bike. Unfortunately in the home movie, this view and one from the rear all there is.
The bike was gold, had a Japanese badge and components, and a nifty bag attached to the rear bike rack. It came with white plastic fenders, and had white brake and shift cables. The handlebars were wrapped with white tape.
I realize it's foolish to be asking about this when I have so little information about the bike. But I'm sure happy I ran across this movie segment!
I got on this forum specifically to ask this question. But it won't let me post! Says something about needing 10 posts before it'll put in a URL.
I put the photo in imgur, and here is the link, if anyone is interested.
imgur.com/gallery/BywOLqa
Thanks much…
Likes For pcw_dg:
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 14,262
Mentioned: 415 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3811 Post(s)
Liked 3,336 Times
in
2,176 Posts
-----
Welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing this wonderful story.
Love the picture of your mom with the bike!
If there is anyone who can help here it will be our resident expert on all matters having to do with Japanese bicycles, member T-Mar
-----
Welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing this wonderful story.
Love the picture of your mom with the bike!
If there is anyone who can help here it will be our resident expert on all matters having to do with Japanese bicycles, member T-Mar
-----
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Indiana
Posts: 592
Bikes: 1984 Fuji Club, Suntour ARX; 2013 Lynskey Peloton, mostly 105 with Ultegra rear derailleur, Enve 2.0 fork; 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c, full Deore with TRP dual piston mech disk brakes
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 324 Post(s)
Liked 81 Times
in
71 Posts
LOL!! Really? all we have to go on is the color and a Japanese badge? I?s this for real? if you could tell the badge was Japanese than why don't you know the brand name of the bike since it was on the badge? LOL!!! I would say it was a Mickey Mouse parade bike, how's that
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,467
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 800 Post(s)
Liked 753 Times
in
410 Posts
LOL!! Really? all we have to go on is the color and a Japanese badge? I?s this for real? if you could tell the badge was Japanese than why don't you know the brand name of the bike since it was on the badge? LOL!!! I would say it was a Mickey Mouse parade bike, how's that
Likes For Piff:
#5
If I own it, I ride it
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cardinal Country
Posts: 5,580
Bikes: Lejeune(14), Raleigh, Raysport, Jan De Reus, Gazelle, Masi, B. Carré(4), Springfield, Greg Lemond, Andre Bertin, Schwinn Paramount
Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 591 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 663 Times
in
312 Posts
LOL!! Really? all we have to go on is the color and a Japanese badge? I?s this for real? if you could tell the badge was Japanese than why don't you know the brand name of the bike since it was on the badge? LOL!!! I would say it was a Mickey Mouse parade bike, how's that
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 14,262
Mentioned: 415 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3811 Post(s)
Liked 3,336 Times
in
2,176 Posts
#7
Senior Member
To be completely realistic about it, Japanese branded bikes weren't very popular in 1960. Memories of WWII were still fresh in the minds of many US families and, Japanese products were not liked or welcomed in the home. So, most of the Japanese bikes back then had very English sounding names like Royce Union, American Eagle, Bridgestone and, Apollo. After a decade or two, the US market warmed up to Japanese bikes & in the 70's & 80's real names changed to Fuji, Miyata, Lotus &, Shogun. Good luck trying to figure it all out.
#8
feros ferio
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 21,796
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1392 Post(s)
Liked 1,324 Times
in
836 Posts
The OP is right between my younger brother and me in age.
I am going to hazard a guess and second the "Royce Union" option. American Eagle (Nishiki) didn't hit the US until ca. 1967-68.
I am going to hazard a guess and second the "Royce Union" option. American Eagle (Nishiki) didn't hit the US until ca. 1967-68.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 2,109
Bikes: Trek 800 x 2, Schwinn Heavy Duti, Schwinn Traveler, Schwinn Le Tour Luxe, Schwinn Continental, Cannondale M400 and Lambert, Schwinn Super Sport
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 809 Post(s)
Liked 1,022 Times
in
665 Posts
Great picture. Not of the bike, but of your mom in the early '60. Good explanation ramzilla .
Likes For Velo Mule:
#10
Senior Member
Treasure the picture of your mother more than the bike.
Likes For Bad Lag:
#11
Senior Member
Interesting story. It must have been a worthy bike to take you from San Francisco to LA! If it were me, I might research Japanese brands from the 60's and look for pictures that jogged my memory. Take a look at this thread.
__________________
I.C.
I.C.
Likes For Insidious C.:
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,223
Mentioned: 654 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4722 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3,036 Times
in
1,874 Posts
As previously noted, there weren't many Japanese manufactured bicycles marketed in the USA in the early 1960s, Those that were tended to have Anglicized names. The two most prominent were Royce Union and Skyway. However, another source of early 1960s Japanese bicycles were US service men stationed in Japan, who brought back bicycles with them. From what I've been told Katakura were available at some PX stores, so if the OP's father was a returning service man, that would be my leading candidate. However, if it was brought into the country privately and bought off base, it could have been any Japanese brand.
#13
Bikes are okay, I guess.
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 6,938
Bikes: Waterford Paramount Touring, Giant CFM-2, Raleigh Sports 3-speeds in M23 & L23, Schwinn Cimarron oddball build, Marin Palisades Trail dropbar conversion, Nishiki Cresta GT
Mentioned: 69 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2647 Post(s)
Liked 2,446 Times
in
1,557 Posts
Pic assist.
Likes For thumpism:
#14
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
LOL!! Really? all we have to go on is the color and a Japanese badge? I?s this for real? if you could tell the badge was Japanese than why don't you know the brand name of the bike since it was on the badge? LOL!!! I would say it was a Mickey Mouse parade bike, how's that
The newspaper where my grandfather won the bike was the Pasadena Star News. The PX stores are an interesting suggestion, maybe the newspaper picked it up from a local PX store. I contacted the Star News the other day, hoping they might still have records from the 60's, but of course they threw those out a while ago.
"Wait until you are old and don't remember details." - Love it! I also realize now how callow a youth I was. I took no pics of the bike, of my SF-LA trip, nothing? What an idiot. I do have a letter I wrote to my cousin, though. She gave it back to me recently. I had written to thank her for getting me up to the SF area - she and her boyfriend had visited us and we used his pickup to get the bike and myself up there (she lived in San Jose at the time). I'd also written a little about the trip, and it had some details I'd forgotten, so I was lucky about that.
The mention of Mickey is interesting. I grew up in Anaheim (Apollo St), and actually worked at D'land in the early '70s, and I would ride this bike to work and back. The first couple of years I was in foods, and would often close. Riding the bike home at 2am, the scent of the strawberries in the fields along West St - they grew them there at that time - was wonderful.
Get out and ride, and keep a journal for goodness sake!
Likes For pcw_dg:
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,223
Mentioned: 654 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4722 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3,036 Times
in
1,874 Posts
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 14,262
Mentioned: 415 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3811 Post(s)
Liked 3,336 Times
in
2,176 Posts
-----
This web site may have some catalogue pictures which could twig your memory of your bicycle.
It covers may brands of bicycle fittings and some listings go back near the time of your example.
For instance -
your bicycle appears to have a conventional leather seat with loops to mount a saddle bag. there was a Japanese company making saddles of this type at this time under the brand names YFC and Belt. if you browse their catalogue you may find an illustration which twigs your memory...
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle
another producer of similar saddles was Takahasi whose brand name was Speedic:
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle [scroll down]
since the bike was a tenspeed it would have had derailleur gears. one maker of these which disappeared by the end of the decade was Sankosha. here is a listing for their products:
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle
here is the web site's homepage showing all of the catalogue listings -
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle
happy exploring!
-----
This web site may have some catalogue pictures which could twig your memory of your bicycle.
It covers may brands of bicycle fittings and some listings go back near the time of your example.
For instance -
your bicycle appears to have a conventional leather seat with loops to mount a saddle bag. there was a Japanese company making saddles of this type at this time under the brand names YFC and Belt. if you browse their catalogue you may find an illustration which twigs your memory...
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle
another producer of similar saddles was Takahasi whose brand name was Speedic:
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle [scroll down]
since the bike was a tenspeed it would have had derailleur gears. one maker of these which disappeared by the end of the decade was Sankosha. here is a listing for their products:
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle
here is the web site's homepage showing all of the catalogue listings -
The catalogs of Japanese vintage bicycle
happy exploring!
-----
#18
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
Thanks much for the great info! I actually stumbled the “The Catalogs Of Vintage Japanese Bicycle” site a couple of days ago, after looking on the internet about the Japanese manufacturers mentioned in some other replies to my post. I really am happy to have found this site, and will be perusing it in detail.
I also went to the original Japanese site, and there was the fellow’s email address! So I emailed him my question – and a translation to Japanese thanks to Google Translate – and will see if I get a response.
Again, I’m not expecting a miracle, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I also went to the original Japanese site, and there was the fellow’s email address! So I emailed him my question – and a translation to Japanese thanks to Google Translate – and will see if I get a response.
Again, I’m not expecting a miracle, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 3,265
Bikes: '82 Univega Competizione, '72 Motobecane Grand Record, '83 Mercian KOM Touring, '85 Univega Alpina Uno, '76 Eisentraut Limited
Mentioned: 57 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 1,205 Times
in
701 Posts
Mizutani - leaflet 1960?
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 3,265
Bikes: '82 Univega Competizione, '72 Motobecane Grand Record, '83 Mercian KOM Touring, '85 Univega Alpina Uno, '76 Eisentraut Limited
Mentioned: 57 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1088 Post(s)
Liked 1,205 Times
in
701 Posts
I usually look over this site for info specific to derailleurs, but there are a lot of documents pertaining to early 60's Japanese bikes:
Documents from Japan
Documents from Japan
#21
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
I sure appreciate all the replies and help I’ve gotten from my post. I now will be reading thoroughly the “The Catalogs Of Vintage Japanese Bicycle” site, and see if I get a response to an email I sent to the site’s owner. And "Disraeli Gears" also! I actually am a bit more hopeful now, with the help I’ve gotten. Thanks all.
And to finish up, here is another screenshot from the film, a few seconds later, again using Imgur. This shows a more full view of the bike, but only from the rear.
imgur.com/gallery/nWxi7F8
This one also has my great-grandmother in it, and the ’57 Chevy Belair station wagon my folks had. Treasured images, treasured memories.
Time it was
And what a time it was, it was
A time of innocence
A time of confidences
Long ago it must be
I have a photograph
Preserve your memories
They're all that's left you
Bookends – Simon & Garfunkel
And to finish up, here is another screenshot from the film, a few seconds later, again using Imgur. This shows a more full view of the bike, but only from the rear.
imgur.com/gallery/nWxi7F8
This one also has my great-grandmother in it, and the ’57 Chevy Belair station wagon my folks had. Treasured images, treasured memories.
Time it was
And what a time it was, it was
A time of innocence
A time of confidences
Long ago it must be
I have a photograph
Preserve your memories
They're all that's left you
Bookends – Simon & Garfunkel
Last edited by pcw_dg; 04-20-20 at 02:49 PM.
#22
Senior Member
LOL!! Really? all we have to go on is the color and a Japanese badge? I?s this for real? if you could tell the badge was Japanese than why don't you know the brand name of the bike since it was on the badge? LOL!!! I would say it was a Mickey Mouse parade bike, how's that
#23
Senior Member
I'm posting this at the suggestion of my son. It will be an impossible mission, but I would dearly love to determine the manufacturer of a 10-speed I got when I was 8 years old, in 1960. My grandfather won it as a prize at the newspaper where he worked, and gave it to me.
I couldn't reach the pedals at first, but I used it all through the 60s, during high-school and college. I even used it to ride from San Francisco to LA in 1973. It was stolen in '77 or '78.
I never thought to write down the manufacturer. I didn't even take a photo of it. Kicking myself.
But the other day, I was looking at an old family home movie, and by golly, there it was in a very short segment! See below if you'd like to see a screenshot of my mom with the bike. Unfortunately in the home movie, this view and one from the rear all there is.
The bike was gold, had a Japanese badge and components, and a nifty bag attached to the rear bike rack. It came with white plastic fenders, and had white brake and shift cables. The handlebars were wrapped with white tape.
I realize it's foolish to be asking about this when I have so little information about the bike. But I'm sure happy I ran across this movie segment!
I got on this forum specifically to ask this question. But it won't let me post! Says something about needing 10 posts before it'll put in a URL.
I put the photo in imgur, and here is the link, if anyone is interested.
imgur.com/gallery/BywOLqa
Thanks much…
I couldn't reach the pedals at first, but I used it all through the 60s, during high-school and college. I even used it to ride from San Francisco to LA in 1973. It was stolen in '77 or '78.
I never thought to write down the manufacturer. I didn't even take a photo of it. Kicking myself.
But the other day, I was looking at an old family home movie, and by golly, there it was in a very short segment! See below if you'd like to see a screenshot of my mom with the bike. Unfortunately in the home movie, this view and one from the rear all there is.
The bike was gold, had a Japanese badge and components, and a nifty bag attached to the rear bike rack. It came with white plastic fenders, and had white brake and shift cables. The handlebars were wrapped with white tape.
I realize it's foolish to be asking about this when I have so little information about the bike. But I'm sure happy I ran across this movie segment!
I got on this forum specifically to ask this question. But it won't let me post! Says something about needing 10 posts before it'll put in a URL.
I put the photo in imgur, and here is the link, if anyone is interested.
imgur.com/gallery/BywOLqa
Thanks much…