Force eTap v. Ultegra Di2 v. Dura Ace
11-22-19, 09:31 AM
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I feel the same about synchro shifting, unfortunately. In theory it's great, but the settings you can do to set it up properly are just too restrictive (for me).
11-22-19, 11:07 AM
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11-22-19, 05:18 PM
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I've a Campy user and find that my Record 12 shifts so damn good that going to anything else is silly. It's just that good.
That being said, I just put 1x GRX Di2 on a gravel bike and while it's nice, it isn't game changing. It shifts when I want it to. I do like that all the wiring is hidden for the most part which is why the bike had Di2.
That being said, I just put 1x GRX Di2 on a gravel bike and while it's nice, it isn't game changing. It shifts when I want it to. I do like that all the wiring is hidden for the most part which is why the bike had Di2.
11-23-19, 01:56 AM
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Ultegra DI2 if price is at all a consideration. Chains, cassettes, a new rear DR, and most other spares are MUCH cheaper than SRAM Force. SRAMs OEM business model looks like a printer cartridge scam, - Get the bike cheap now, pay later.
11-23-19, 03:35 AM
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What exactly are Campy's and SRAM's business models?
11-23-19, 04:20 AM
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All im saying is, you can get a complete SRAM Force etap bike at around the same price as a Ultegra DI2, However most spare parts and consumables are much more than the equivalent Shimano part. Just like when you get at cheap printer and two months down the line get to pay $50 per 5ml of ink.
Im not looking for a debate, just sharing my opinion.
Im not looking for a debate, just sharing my opinion.
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11-23-19, 05:22 AM
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All im saying is, you can get a complete SRAM Force etap bike at around the same price as a Ultegra DI2, However most spare parts and consumables are much more than the equivalent Shimano part. Just like when you get at cheap printer and two months down the line get to pay $50 per 5ml of ink.
Im not looking for a debate, just sharing my opinion.
Im not looking for a debate, just sharing my opinion.
11-23-19, 09:50 AM
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Force AXS is 12 speed and Di2 is 11 speed, so you should expect a higher priced cassette. Force 12 chains are not expensive. Nothing else is normally a consumable.
If you try to buy a groupset to build up a bike, the Force AXS is very high priced. I bought two Campy Chorus 12 groups for about the same as one force axs group. I see UDi2 groupsets for about the same price as Chorus 12 mechanical.
One thing not mentioned is how slowly electronic makes multiple shifts. With campy mechanical, 3 sprockets smaller or 4 larger only requires one quick push of the thumb button or sweep of the finger lever. I make great use of the new 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette, with much closer cog spacing than shimano 11.
If you try to buy a groupset to build up a bike, the Force AXS is very high priced. I bought two Campy Chorus 12 groups for about the same as one force axs group. I see UDi2 groupsets for about the same price as Chorus 12 mechanical.
One thing not mentioned is how slowly electronic makes multiple shifts. With campy mechanical, 3 sprockets smaller or 4 larger only requires one quick push of the thumb button or sweep of the finger lever. I make great use of the new 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette, with much closer cog spacing than shimano 11.
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11-23-19, 09:54 AM
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Force AXS is 12 speed and Di2 is 11 speed, so you should expect a higher priced cassette. Force 12 chains are not expensive. Nothing else is normally a consumable.
If you try to buy a groupset to build up a bike, the Force AXS is very high priced. I bought two Campy Chorus 12 groups for about the same as one force axs group. I see UDi2 groupsets for about the same price as Chorus 12 mechanical.
One thing not mentioned is how slowly electronic makes multiple shifts. With campy mechanical, 3 sprockets smaller or 4 larger only requires one quick push of the thumb button or sweep of the finger lever. I make great use of the new 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette, with much closer cog spacing than shimano 11.
If you try to buy a groupset to build up a bike, the Force AXS is very high priced. I bought two Campy Chorus 12 groups for about the same as one force axs group. I see UDi2 groupsets for about the same price as Chorus 12 mechanical.
One thing not mentioned is how slowly electronic makes multiple shifts. With campy mechanical, 3 sprockets smaller or 4 larger only requires one quick push of the thumb button or sweep of the finger lever. I make great use of the new 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette, with much closer cog spacing than shimano 11.
11-23-19, 10:14 AM
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https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...+axs&start=375
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11-23-19, 11:11 AM
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From weight weenies:
"Just demoed the himod ultegra di2 disc. Drivetrain gave me the same impression (compared to mech Campy) as the Force etap I rode on a few days before: noisy, clunky and pretty boringly slow. No denying it makes shifting easier when hammering in the drops, but I found the close by buttons rather confusing. The etap is much better in this regard. I liked the Ultegra brakes better than the Sram but the Sram might have needed a better bleed. All together, as long as I still ride in a place where rain can be avoided, i see no reason to get disc or electronic (i see some benefit if doing hard racing, otherwise nope)."
Last edited by DaveSSS; 11-23-19 at 11:30 AM.
11-23-19, 11:14 AM
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Force AXS is 12 speed and Di2 is 11 speed, so you should expect a higher priced cassette. Force 12 chains are not expensive. Nothing else is normally a consumable.
If you try to buy a groupset to build up a bike, the Force AXS is very high priced. I bought two Campy Chorus 12 groups for about the same as one force axs group. I see UDi2 groupsets for about the same price as Chorus 12 mechanical.
One thing not mentioned is how slowly electronic makes multiple shifts. With campy mechanical, 3 sprockets smaller or 4 larger only requires one quick push of the thumb button or sweep of the finger lever. I make great use of the new 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette, with much closer cog spacing than shimano 11.
If you try to buy a groupset to build up a bike, the Force AXS is very high priced. I bought two Campy Chorus 12 groups for about the same as one force axs group. I see UDi2 groupsets for about the same price as Chorus 12 mechanical.
One thing not mentioned is how slowly electronic makes multiple shifts. With campy mechanical, 3 sprockets smaller or 4 larger only requires one quick push of the thumb button or sweep of the finger lever. I make great use of the new 48/32 crank and 11-34 cassette, with much closer cog spacing than shimano 11.
