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Old 02-02-20, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by datlas
Crash on today’s ride. Sad! Rider is ok but broken clavicle.
I'm curious on the level of competence of many of the riders you ride with, datlas. This seems a pretty common occurrence, and it would worry me a bit.

I think you would be safer in a crit.
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datlas may roll his eyes at this, but are you on a statin?
I thought about it because regardless of cholesterol numbers it reduces risk of vascular events by roughly half. But I have zero risk factors so I don’t. If you are on the fence, a CAC (coronary artery calcium score) can help you decide. Zero calcium? No statin needed.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
I'm curious on the level of competence of many of the riders you ride with, datlas. This seems a pretty common occurrence, and it would worry me a bit.
I think you would be safer in a crit.
I very careful around bunched up riders. I saw one man go down as his front wheel dropped into a grove that had the same effect as a railroad and who suffered a broken hip. This was very early in our ride when we were all very close together. I surmise that he did not see the grove due to proximity to the rider just ahead. A second club crash occurred about 15 minutes before I caught up on another ride. I was informed two bikes got tangled up and one rider was taken away by ambulance. The situation around bunched up cyclists is very unpredictable.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
I'm curious on the level of competence of many of the riders you ride with, datlas. This seems a pretty common occurrence, and it would worry me a bit.

I think you would be safer in a crit.
It was rider error. He hit the lip of a pothole at 20 MPH, tried to recover but went down because pinch flat.

Crits have more experienced riders so you may have a point there.
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I would estimate that the group rides I do have a crash maybe on 3% of the rides.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
I'm curious on the level of competence of many of the riders you ride with, datlas. This seems a pretty common occurrence, and it would worry me a bit.

I think you would be safer in a crit.
Same thought.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I thought about it because regardless of cholesterol numbers it reduces risk of vascular events by roughly half. But I have zero risk factors so I don’t. If you are on the fence, a CAC (coronary artery calcium score) can help you decide. Zero calcium? No statin needed.
I was just speculating about possible causes of otherwise unexplained exercise related myalgia. I have my own anecdote.
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Old 02-02-20, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
I was just speculating about possible causes of otherwise unexplained exercise related myalgia. I have my own anecdote.
High dose statin is one of the usual suspects. Ok to stop it for a few weeks and rechallenge. If it’s clearly the bad actor, try a lower dose or CoQ10. My cardiology colleagues love high dose statins but don’t understand that the muscle aches are dose-dependent. So I love to suggest Lipitor 10 or 20 mg, not 80. Or Crestor 5-10 mg.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I would estimate that the group rides I do have a crash maybe on 3% of the rides.
Should I post in the 41 with a poll, what percentage of your group rides have a crash?
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Speaking of crashes, I had one this spring. It was my first in several years. I think I have had 3 crashes in past decade. Is that typical? All were really rider error btw. I hope for no more.

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Originally Posted by datlas
Should I post in the 41 with a poll, what percentage of your group rides have a crash?
I had 2 crashes on Performance group rides. I must've led about 50, so 4%. Yikes!

I led the newb crew 30% of the time and intermediate the rest.
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Old 02-02-20, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
datlas may roll his eyes at this, but are you on a statin?
I was borderline the last visit but no, I’m not on statins at this time.

I’ll just pretend I’m on the road to having massive guads
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Originally Posted by datlas
I thought about it because regardless of cholesterol numbers it reduces risk of vascular events by roughly half. But I have zero risk factors so I don’t. If you are on the fence, a CAC (coronary artery calcium score) can help you decide. Zero calcium? No statin needed.
Now I’m getting ascared
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Originally Posted by kissTheApex
I was borderline the last visit but no, I’m not on statins at this time.

I’ll just pretend I’m on the road to having massive guads
I’ll buy that.
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short ride wind was savage. Today I had multiple cars pull out right in front of me. It was almost weird the amount of times it happened. Wasn’t wearing a light out front but was wearing a bright yellow wind breaker.

The group ride I am with I havnt seen any crashes yet, but we had a situation last week that could have ended very bad. Along our route is a hill with a fork at the bottom. Two lane road, no divider, and always a lot of traffic. We usually go right at the bottom, and out of know where half the group decides to go left. The group ended up splitting and luckily nobody went down.
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Role for statin is nuanced. Cardiologists want everyone in one for reasons stated above. Issue is if you are low risk, say 2% chance of event in next 10 years, do you want to take a pill daily to cut that to 1%? Probably not.

OTOH if you are at high risk, say 20% you could cut that to 10%. Probably a good idea.
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Originally Posted by datlas
High dose statin is one of the usual suspects. Ok to stop it for a few weeks and rechallenge. If it’s clearly the bad actor, try a lower dose or CoQ10. My cardiology colleagues love high dose statins but don’t understand that the muscle aches are dose-dependent. So I love to suggest Lipitor 10 or 20 mg, not 80. Or Crestor 5-10 mg.
I switched to a water soluble one (pravastatin) from atorvastatin and no problems since, but I’m on a pediatric dose, primarily to make my doc happy.
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BTW the 3% crash estimate includes minor crashes with just road rash. If you want crashes that are bad, ie bad enough that person could not finish the ride, that’s probably half so 1.5%. Still higher than I would like.
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Originally Posted by datlas
If you are on the fence, a CAC (coronary artery calcium score) can help you decide. Zero calcium? No statin needed.
My calcium is low but not zero. I am not taking statin. I take a calcium supplement daily.


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Well, if daughter 2 takes the free ride offer, the move may come soon!

Andalucía is on the top of the list.
Not sure where that is but it even sounds warm.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Crash on today’s ride. Sad! Rider is ok but broken clavicle.
ouch! Not that I can keep up with any group rides around here, but I’d be ascared to ride close quarters and get injured or cause someone else to crash and get injured
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Should I post in the 41 with a poll, what percentage of your group rides have a crash?
Thats a pissing contest for sure.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
I switched to a water soluble one (pravastatin) from atorvastatin and no problems since, but I’m on a pediatric dose, primarily to make my doc happy.
That’s fine. Prava is weaker but good enough in most cases.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
Not sure where that is but it even sounds warm.
Southern Spain.
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Originally Posted by datlas
BTW the 3% crash estimate includes minor crashes with just road rash. If you want crashes that are bad, ie bad enough that person could not finish the ride, that’s probably half so 1.5%. Still higher than I would like.
Both crashes I cited were minor also. No urgent care, not even a call of shame.

We did have 2 calls of shame from heat exhaustion, however.
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