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Old 10-16-20, 02:26 PM
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Any lightweight Ti bikes?

Does anybody weigh their road Ti bikes? My lousy Motobecane in size 59cm, Ultegra 11sp mechanical, rim brakes and alloy wheels Campy Shamal is about 8.5 kg. A Lynskey representative wrote me that their typical road bike builds are 20 - 22 pounds (9 - 10 kg). Isn't it a tad too heavy for Ti? My old steel Bianchi Veloce 10sp was about 10 kilos.
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My Bianchi MegaTi XL size 53 weighs 7.1kg.
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It's about the build. A 1.5 to 2.0 kg frameset is only going to be about 20% of the final build weight on a 9 kg bike.
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It's about the build. A 1.5 to 2.0 kg frameset is only going to be about 20% of the final build weight on a 9 kg bike.
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My Habanero is about 19 pounds with pedals no big deal. It rides better than 15 pound wonders even up a a huge climb because I can descend and make up the difference. It is a 58 in frame.
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Originally Posted by tankist
Does anybody weigh their road Ti bikes? My lousy Motobecane in size 59cm, Ultegra 11sp mechanical, rim brakes and alloy wheels Campy Shamal is about 8.5 kg. A Lynskey representative wrote me that their typical road bike builds are 20 - 22 pounds (9 - 10 kg). Isn't it a tad too heavy for Ti? My old steel Bianchi Veloce 10sp was about 10 kilos.
How much do you weigh?
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How do you really know that it's titanium? Hmmm?
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Typically ti frames are around 3 pounds.
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How do you really know that it's titanium? Hmmm?
Titanium bikes cost a lot. That's how you know.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
It's about the build. A 1.5 to 2.0 kg frameset is only going to be about 20% of the final build weight on a 9 kg bike.
Thank you for the insightful answer. If the frame is only 20% of the weight what about other bike parts contributions to the final number - wheels, components, etc? Say, if I want the best bang for the buck where should I look?

On the other hand, if frame weight is not that important then why carbon frames are all the rage these days? Is it because carbon is much easier to manufacture than dealing with metal?
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Originally Posted by tankist
Thank you for the insightful answer. If the frame is only 20% of the weight what about other bike parts contributions to the final number - wheels, components, etc? Say, if I want the best bang for the buck where should I look?

On the other hand, if frame weight is not that important then why carbon frames are all the rage these days? Is it because carbon is much easier to manufacture than dealing with metal?
Nobody said frame weight is not important, we were only saying the frame is only part of the total weight.
Usually people say the best weight-loss bang for your buck is wheels because wheels are rotating weight.
Carbon frames are all the rage for lots of reasons but for the weight weenies they are the lightest, at least at higher price points.
For some of us weight isn't the most important thing. What do you want to do with your bike? A lot of climbing? Competitive group rides? Racing? How heavy are you? Are your roads smooth or beat up?
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I've seen lots of folks lie about the weight of their Ti builds on here...Someone last week said they had a Litespeed with Ulitegra 6800 and aluminum wheels that weighed 14 lbs...Not believing it...
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Originally Posted by big john
Nobody said frame weight is not important, we were only saying the frame is only part of the total weight.
Usually people say the best weight-loss bang for your buck is wheels because wheels are rotating weight.
Carbon frames are all the rage for lots of reasons but for the weight weenies they are the lightest, at least at higher price points.
For some of us weight isn't the most important thing. What do you want to do with your bike? A lot of climbing? Competitive group rides? Racing? How heavy are you? Are your roads smooth or beat up?
Carbon can be laid up to perform in every category you mentioned. Titanium bicycles are very pretty and have a wonderful nostalgic quality however have no performance advantages over Carbon.
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I ride just for fun and hopefully good health on more or less good asphalt roads. I live and ride in SF Bay Area with a lot of hills. From my experience climbing Mt. Diablo is noticeably easier on 8.5 Ti kg bike than on 10 steel Bianchi. Even though this difference is not than much considering the overall weight. I'm thinking of upgrading Motobecane to something better, that's why my original question.
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Originally Posted by tankist
I ride just for fun and hopefully good health on more or less good asphalt roads. I live and ride in SF Bay Area with a lot of hills. From my experience climbing Mt. Diablo is noticeably easier on 8.5 Ti kg bike than on 10 steel Bianchi. Even though this difference is not than much considering the overall weight. I'm thinking of upgrading Motobecane to something better, that's why my original question.
Only you can decide how much to spend to save X amount of weight. Get a bike you like riding, are comfortable on, and does what you want it to do. If you want to spend two grand on a set of wheels that's your choice.
Your Motobecane is probably fine for most riding. A friend of mine had a steel Motobecane and he smoked most of the other riders in my club.even though they had lighter, more expensive bikes.
On the other hand if a new bike increases your enjoyment and makes you want to ride more that's a plus!
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Originally Posted by velopig
Carbon can be laid up to perform in every category you mentioned. Titanium bicycles are very pretty and have a wonderful nostalgic quality however have no performance advantages over Carbon.
I know. I was trying to get a feel for what the op is after.
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It is a 58 in frame.
No it's not
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lol, you know what he meant. Good eye.
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I have a 2017 Ti Lynskey Helix Sport, rim brake. Full Ultegra mechanical groupset with Aforce Al33 wheels and White Industries hubs. Fork is a 3T Rigida. Saddle is a Fabric Ti rails. King Ti bottle cages. Weight is about 19.6 - 19.8 lbs, don’t remember exact number but within that range. Weight was not a focus when I built it.

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My Lynskey 265 triple butted road bike weighs 19&1/2#'s with pedals. It could be lighter with light weight parts but was built with durable parts instead.
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I've been riding my Ti much more this summer and it's road weight dropped 10 lbs.
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Originally Posted by velopig
Carbon can be laid up to perform in every category you mentioned. Titanium bicycles are very pretty and have a wonderful nostalgic quality however have no performance advantages over Carbon.
Titanium bikes are not "pretty", they're ruggedly handsome.
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My Airborne Zeppelin is about 19.25 lbs with minimal necessities: small bags and repair stuff, small lights and pump, bottle holders.
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Originally Posted by tankist
Does anybody weigh their road Ti bikes? My lousy Motobecane in size 59cm, Ultegra 11sp mechanical, rim brakes and alloy wheels Campy Shamal is about 8.5 kg. A Lynskey representative wrote me that their typical road bike builds are 20 - 22 pounds (9 - 10 kg). Isn't it a tad too heavy for Ti? My old steel Bianchi Veloce 10sp was about 10 kilos.
It all depends on the build. My R240 comes in well under 18lbs with pedals, cages, Garmin mount, 28/32 spoke alloy wheels, etc.. It has been several years but if I remember correctly I think the bare frame was around 1300g for a size 54, so not light compared to carbon but certainly not heavy.
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my Litespeed vortex comes in around 16 lbs with out water and stuff.. meh... never has been a problem... its not the bike.
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