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Old 05-17-18, 05:22 PM
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I can't get my head around the idea of kids riding on the roads. Either side.
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom
If the training the kids are given deviates from state law, I would think that could make the district liable in the event of an injury or death.
Agreed!
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Old 05-18-18, 01:22 PM
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We are not talking about a preschooler with training wheels. These "kids" are 12-14 years old.

As far as telling the district that they are doing it wrong, You need to remember that the district police are "the experts." I have brought this up in the past and it has been made clear that the district understands that I mean well; but that my "suggestions" are just not the best for the children.

I do have the state DOT cycling poster in my classroom that reinforces what I do; sometimes the students even ask about that poster because it is different than what they are taught. I sometimes treat that as a teachable moment. However, I am not going to change the district curriculum, I accept that and I am not going to risk my job by making myself into a "problem." People say the squeaky wheel gets the grease; but it also gets replaced at the first opportunity.
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Old 05-18-18, 03:16 PM
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I biked to school from the mid 60's to the mid 70's, and I don't remember bike safety being discussed at school. I think we just did it, because riding to school wan't much different from riding anywhere else that didn't involve a ride from a parent or riding the school bus. And then we got to be old enough to drive and everyone quit riding to school.
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Old 05-18-18, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert C
We are not talking about a preschooler with training wheels. These "kids" are 12-14 years old.
So, in your district, do they correctly teach the elementary school students how to ride, and then undo that in middle school?

Other than kvetching here, since you won’t kvetch where it matters, what is your point?

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Old 05-18-18, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert C
As many of you know, I am a middle school teacher. As such, when bike to school day comes around, I get volunteered to be a “guide.”

There are two reasons that I dislike bike to school day. Firstly, I dislike the idea that biking to school should be an event that requires guides, support vehicles, and police *******. It reinforces the idea that cycling is little but an impractical, dangerous, stunt. Biking to school should just be something that students do; no fanfare, just do.

The second reason, and is nothing but personal preference; a preference for doing things right, is that I dislike how the students are trained to ride. The students are told to ride, facing traffic, on the sidewalks, and in the gutter if no sidewalk is available. This is stated, and reinforced by the school police, who conduct the bicycle safety training.

In all, I am no big fan of “bike to school day.”
Excellent, that gives you the platform to mold young minds. Take a few minutes and teach them about the purity of safe and responsible cycling. Be the vanguard.
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Old 05-18-18, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert C
As many of you know, I am a middle school teacher. As such, when bike to school day comes around, I get volunteered to be a “guide.”

There are two reasons that I dislike bike to school day. Firstly, I dislike the idea that biking to school should be an event that requires guides, support vehicles, and police *******. It reinforces the idea that cycling is little but an impractical, dangerous, stunt. Biking to school should just be something that students do; no fanfare, just do.

The second reason, and is nothing but personal preference; a preference for doing things right, is that I dislike how the students are trained to ride. The students are told to ride, facing traffic, on the sidewalks, and in the gutter if no sidewalk is available. This is stated, and reinforced by the school police, who conduct the bicycle safety training.

In all, I am no big fan of “bike to school day.”
Your point is well taken about how and where to ridel. They should obey traffic rules and ride with the traffic, and not in the gutter!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-19-18, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert C
responding that the method they are advocating is placing the students in danger will just be met with more condensing behaviour. . . Trust me, I tried.
Maybe if you'd stop being so gaseous, their behavior would change.

The main problem, as I see it is that the mandatory bicycle safety class is in the fifth grade, then it is not revisited. Advise that may make sense for a little kid, creaking along with a teacher walking along side (like I saw today when we went by the elementary school group, yes, with a police escort) is not appropriate for middle and high school students. Yet, the police, in today's case, the city police, are reminding the students to ride the way the safety officer taught them.
Then go to your school board, city council and to the state legislators. Point out that curriculum is being used that is directly counter to state laws. Gather a few other voters to back your position. Become obnoxious at that level.
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Old 05-19-18, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4
They'd probably find the worst offensers are parents dropping their kids off in cars, vans, and SUVs.
Ain't no "probably" about it. Hang around a school at pickup and drop off times, and it becomes pretty clear that the reduced speed zone doesn't protect the kids nearly as much as the parents who pull out of the lot without yielding, stop in a traffic lane to drop off their kids, etc.
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Old 05-22-18, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH
Then go to your school board, city council and to the state legislators. Point out that curriculum is being used that is directly counter to state laws. Gather a few other voters to back your position. Become obnoxious at that level.
Agreed. If you're a teacher it's your moral responsibility.
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Old 05-22-18, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cute Boy Horse
Agreed. If you're a teacher it's your moral responsibility.
Well he can bring up the idea, but in order for it to have any real widespread impact he will still need the support of the parents and community.
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Old 05-22-18, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
Well he can bring up the idea, but in order for it to have any real widespread impact he will still need the support of the parents and community.
Yeah obviously. I'm no individualist. History is made by the masses.
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Old 05-22-18, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
Well he can bring up the idea, but in order for it to have any real widespread impact he will still need the support of the parents and community.
Or he can bring it up here, which is the LAST place anyone would bring it up to have even a MINUSCULE change,

Again, the statewide bicycle curriculum doesn’t suck. His school sucks.

But why risk causing waves?

Posting here is cathartic, maybe.

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Old 05-23-18, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyMK
I can't get my head around the idea of kids riding on the roads. Either side.
Yes, well .... for all of time until the '80s or '90s or whenever parents started freaking out if their kids sneezed ... kids actually lived life.

And didn't ear helmets or pads!!! I know, I know ... how did the race survive?

used to be, you got a bike and you rode it. First bike without training wheels was age 5 or 6, and kids rode bikes until high school, when they could drive.

naturally people rode on the roads ... what, are you going to ride in the woods?

Riding to school, riding to friends' houses, riding to the stores or malls ... riding wherever one went ... was the Norm, because why have a bike one couldn't ride?

Making Evel Kneivel jumps, riding trail and paths in the woods, flying dismounts, and the occasional skinned knee were also normal.

And somehow ... enough children survived to overpopulate the planet.
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For walking on a street with no shoulder or sidewalk it is normal to go against traffic. The idea you see the cars and can step aside. At least this is how it is done in Germany. Not sure about the US, though.
For biking, always with direction of traffic since unlike pedestrians you can't just step aside into the grass. A bicycle is part of the lane.

Whoever blames the OP for not speaking up even more probably hasn't worked in a hierarchical institution. You are supposed to think freely and suggest improvement, but only if you already agree with the way the institution thinks. Someone mentioned the squeaky wheel gets the grease, or gets replaced. I think the OP already went above and beyond and probably already is known as the weirdo bicycle trouble maker.
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun
For walking on a street with no shoulder or sidewalk it is normal to go against traffic. The idea you see the cars and can step aside. At least this is how it is done in Germany. Not sure about the US, though.
For biking, always with direction of traffic since unlike pedestrians you can't just step aside into the grass. A bicycle is part of the lane.

Whoever blames the OP for not speaking up even more probably hasn't worked in a hierarchical institution. You are supposed to think freely and suggest improvement, but only if you already agree with the way the institution thinks.
I come from a family of teachers (mother/sister). In addition, most of my work-life was spent under those conditions in hospitality. So I know it only too well. Which is why I made the suggestion I did.

I'd always encourage the patrons that complained to me to go directly to the higher-up directly. When it came second-hand from me, they'd just nod and walk away.
Someone mentioned the squeaky wheel gets the grease, or gets replaced. I think the OP already went above and beyond and probably already is known as the weirdo bicycle trouble maker.
Some higher ups are open to it (in fact, encourage it), while other are staunch believers that information should always only flow from the top down.
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I have dealt with it from my end. I live quite a ways from where I teach. In the town I teach in the fly-in teachers are the norm.

When I came back this year I just didn't bring a bicycle. I got a lot of enjoyable riding in over the summer. I do miss not having a bicycle; but in the long run I think it will be easier for me.

I am still on bike forums, I still enjoy riding and tinkering on bikes. However, it became the issue of mixing work with hobby.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Yes, well .... for all of time until the '80s or '90s or whenever parents started freaking out if their kids sneezed ... kids actually lived life.

And didn't ear helmets or pads!!! I know, I know ... how did the race survive?

used to be, you got a bike and you rode it. First bike without training wheels was age 5 or 6, and kids rode bikes until high school, when they could drive.

naturally people rode on the roads ... what, are you going to ride in the woods?

Riding to school, riding to friends' houses, riding to the stores or malls ... riding wherever one went ... was the Norm, because why have a bike one couldn't ride?

Making Evel Kneivel jumps, riding trail and paths in the woods, flying dismounts, and the occasional skinned knee were also normal.

And somehow ... enough children survived to overpopulate the planet.
You forgot drinking bathtub gin and playing table tennis on biplane wings. Real chutzpah
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