How could Miguel Indurain not have doped?
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How could Miguel Indurain not have doped?
Big Mig was an above average domestique for Pedro Delgado then all of a sudden he starts dominating the TDF from 1991-1995 like he was riding a motorbike. I believe Indurain never lost atime trial in each of his 5 TDF wins!.
I think Miguel's quite personality and shunning the limelight after he was done racing is a big reason doping controls didn't target him ...every guy he beat was jacked up on stuff during that era...
Anybody else here think he must have been dirty to dominate like he did??
I think Miguel's quite personality and shunning the limelight after he was done racing is a big reason doping controls didn't target him ...every guy he beat was jacked up on stuff during that era...
Anybody else here think he must have been dirty to dominate like he did??
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Yes.
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Yes. As were the rest of them. Given the rash of dopers over the past... 100 years in the professional peloton, I think the War Against Lance Armstrong is more driven by the fact he's a bit of a prick. My belief is they (including Lance) all won pretty much fair and square, because the top racers were all at it.
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Okay.
You can use that "fair and square" story about Indurain, who by the way won the game of doping, not the sport of cycling, but Armstrong crossed the line into the game of tyranny.
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I don't know exactly what I'm getting at, but I find it interesting that he tends to be the other guy, including Lance and Lemond, who is mentioned when the topics of monster V02 Max numbers come up, as well as a crazy low resting heart rate.
Personally, I never understood why Big Mig, a big heavy guy who can slaughter everyone on the flats, didn't win Paris-Roubaix for at least five years in a row, as well as, or maybe instead of a bunch of grand tours.
Personally, I never understood why Big Mig, a big heavy guy who can slaughter everyone on the flats, didn't win Paris-Roubaix for at least five years in a row, as well as, or maybe instead of a bunch of grand tours.
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I don't know exactly what I'm getting at, but I find it interesting that he tends to be the other guy, including Lance and Lemond, who is mentioned when the topics of monster V02 Max numbers come up, as well as a crazy low resting heart rate.
Personally, I never understood why Big Mig, a big heavy guy who can slaughter everyone on the flats, didn't win Paris-Roubaix for at least five years in a row, as well as, or maybe instead of a bunch of grand tours.
Personally, I never understood why Big Mig, a big heavy guy who can slaughter everyone on the flats, didn't win Paris-Roubaix for at least five years in a row, as well as, or maybe instead of a bunch of grand tours.
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Big Mig was an above average domestique for Pedro Delgado then all of a sudden he starts dominating the TDF from 1991-1995 like he was riding a motorbike. I believe Indurain never lost atime trial in each of his 5 TDF wins!.
I think Miguel's quite personality and shunning the limelight after he was done racing is a big reason doping controls didn't target him ...every guy he beat was jacked up on stuff during that era...
Anybody else here think he must have been dirty to dominate like he did??
I think Miguel's quite personality and shunning the limelight after he was done racing is a big reason doping controls didn't target him ...every guy he beat was jacked up on stuff during that era...
Anybody else here think he must have been dirty to dominate like he did??
There are sound reasons to not put the teams chances on a TT rider who is unproven at best in the mountians. In today's world he might very well have started getting offeres from teams lacking a GC contender 3-4 years before he got his chance.
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I seem to remember a Giro a few years ago, the police raided the hotels where the riders were staying, there were syringes abd tablets flying out of hotel room windows, i know Indurain was not part of that race but it does show the extent of the problem and if Indurain beat all these cheaters five years in a row, could he have been clean, rather doubtful IMHO
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_...cal_advantages
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Maybe riding in the cold, getting beat to hell by cobbles and being caked in dirt and sweat for 6+ hrs is just not his thing.
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No. It's plausible that his domination was due to things you can't get through a needle...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_...cal_advantages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_...cal_advantages
google 'lance armstrong physiology'
ETA: my favorite: https://www.discoveryeducation.com/te...-armstrong.cfm
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that's exactly what they said about LA.
google 'lance armstrong physiology'
ETA: my favorite: https://www.discoveryeducation.com/te...-armstrong.cfm
google 'lance armstrong physiology'
ETA: my favorite: https://www.discoveryeducation.com/te...-armstrong.cfm
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The top racers all had a powerful sob story that netted them enough money in endorsements to buy political connections and destroy anyone who spoke out against him by dragging them through court? The other racers all knew exactly what type and amount of drugs each other were using because they were all Dr. Ferrari's #1 client?
Okay.
You can use that "fair and square" story about Indurain, who by the way won the game of doping, not the sport of cycling, but Armstrong crossed the line into the game of tyranny.
Okay.
You can use that "fair and square" story about Indurain, who by the way won the game of doping, not the sport of cycling, but Armstrong crossed the line into the game of tyranny.
As for Indurain winning the game of doping, if you really believe that then why are you even following cycling? Stop putting up with the outrage and go watch a clean sport like NFL.
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I remember seeing some data at a sports center in the UK once, and looking at a British rower (my old sport) who had an enormous heart, like 2 1/2 times the average size. Apparently the only similar data on record was Indurain's, who had a similarly large heart. The tester told me that it was a very rare trait, and meant that a lot more oxygenated blood could flow through to the muscles, much like a bigger engine can produce more power. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about Indurain's cleanliness but it does go a long way towards explaining his dominance.
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Paying off the UCI to bury positive tests = corruption and goes far beyond being "a prick".
Because it's not 1995, mate.
Because it's not 1995, mate.
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Lots of riders of that period doped and never get caught. It's altogether plausible that Indurain did dope, but I'd rather think about his class as a rider--a truly gracious and generous patron.
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There's ill mannered, then there's tyrannical, dictatorial prick. Any of us (I know I can) can be ill mannered. Lance was playing on a whole different level of pricktitude than the rest of us.
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