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The seller ratings don't mean jack because if you mark them down they mark you down and most people won't risk that if they can help it unless it is a big problem. Every time I've bought on ebay the person has been an idiot or scammer and every time they had good ratings, but sometimes there is no other way to get obscure hard to find things. But if it's a 20 dollar item I probably would not worry much, and probably also the reason he told you to buzz off it's just not worth much worry or effort
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I don't think Ebay could enforce anything even if the levers were missing, incorrect, incomplete or defective. After all, it's being sold as a factory sealed box, which is what the buyer is getting. It's as it left the factory and the warranty has long run out. The buying is taking his chances and won't know what he has, until he opens the box. It's almost the C&V version of Schrodinger's Cat.
As for the levers themselves, I recall them being a popular weight weenie item back in the day. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the price climbs in the dying minutes.
As for the levers themselves, I recall them being a popular weight weenie item back in the day. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the price climbs in the dying minutes.
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Yeah, there are plenty for sale in great condition out of the box already. Of course anyone can tear open a box of anything that they buy, whether it's a rare Star Wars toy or a rare derailleur - that's their prerogative. But that's one less still in the box - you can't put them back. So I'd suggest looking for a nice one that's already unboxed for use, yes!
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I don't think Ebay could enforce anything even if the levers were missing, incorrect, incomplete or defective. After all, it's being sold as a factory sealed box, which is what the buyer is getting. It's as it left the factory and the warranty has long run out. The buying is taking his chances and won't know what he has, until he opens the box. It's almost the C&V version of Schrodinger's Cat.
As for the levers themselves, I recall them being a popular weight weenie item back in the day. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the price climbs in the dying minutes.
As for the levers themselves, I recall them being a popular weight weenie item back in the day. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the price climbs in the dying minutes.
I've bought items on E-Bay with the wrong boxes. Usually someone has upgraded, say from Chorus to Record, and put the old parts into the new box. Of course, with a description and photos of the part being sold, not the box being shipped.
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Dia-Compe SS-5 in Black
I've had these Dia-Compe SS-5 levers (Black) for many years. They have held up great, with no issues. They came with the rubberized lever "covers". I'm using them with a Suntour Rollercam in the back and Pedersen SE cantilever in the front - they work great with both types of brake.
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I have personally also opened a number of rare or vintage items to use them even though I knew they would depreciate, because I wanted to do so for whatever reason at that particular time. There's certainly no "right way" to handle such things.
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A buyer/seller can put a response to your feedback, though, with an argument against it, which will be visible on their own feedback profile. Whether it's true or not in the end, I don't think you can do much about that.
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I didn't say anything about knowing a proper destiny for anything, but you're welcome to assume that I think my opinion is the end-all. As a collector I appreciate the value assigned to rare products kept in original packaging and used to spend enough time dealing with like-minded individuals to know that the objects could easily be kept in that condition for some time and be appreciated as well as appreciate in value.
I have personally also opened a number of rare or vintage items to use them even though I knew they would depreciate, because I wanted to do so for whatever reason at that particular time. There's certainly no "right way" to handle such things.
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I have personally also opened a number of rare or vintage items to use them even though I knew they would depreciate, because I wanted to do so for whatever reason at that particular time. There's certainly no "right way" to handle such things.
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I got bored reading this thread about a third of the way through. Welcome to ebay capitalism - buy it, dont buy it, its the seller's choice to open it, the buyer's choice to bid unseen.
I have no need for these levers, will never have a need for these levers, but I'm tempted to bid on them just because now I'm curious to know what's in the box.
I have no need for these levers, will never have a need for these levers, but I'm tempted to bid on them just because now I'm curious to know what's in the box.
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I got bored reading this thread about a third of the way through. Welcome to ebay capitalism - buy it, dont buy it, its the seller's choice to open it, the buyer's choice to bid unseen.
I have no need for these levers, will never have a need for these levers, but I'm tempted to bid on them just because now I'm curious to know what's in the box.
I have no need for these levers, will never have a need for these levers, but I'm tempted to bid on them just because now I'm curious to know what's in the box.
Everyone is saying it's a good deal, how can you lose?
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You seem to think that I am taking myself rather seriously, which in turn makes me wonder how seriously you are taking all of this. I'm not taking any of it seriously. Just FYI. I'll also note that all of my previous replies were made on a phone when I was more or less unable to read the text I was quoting... So that may add to any confusion about my level of conviction.
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Me too. It has return with the box now open written all over it. Original sealed box typically has higher value. Myself, I avoid NOS and original sealed box as I would rather pay LESS for a lightly used item. And I know as soon as I take it out of the box, it's used. Finally, I really prefer a vintage bike show its age.
To this comment: "I recently asked a seller of a frame to get me a head tube measurement. He said it was already packed for shipping so he couldn't do that. It deterred me from making the purchase. Different story entirely, but it's like CliffordK says above... Sellers can do things that make or lose them money. That frame is still not sold after being advertised for several months, though the price is not unreasonable. *Shrug*"
I can understand the seller's position as well. As a TR seller, to get my discount I have one day to ship. So on the harder to pack stuff, I sometimes pack it ahead of time. Since I do not have defined end dates (I sell buy it now), the auction can end at the worst time for me to pack. Since I preset a BIN price, I am not seeking additional "action" to drive up price. Instead, I tend to set a reasonable price and move on.
Its the beauty of eBay. Sellers can ask any price they want, and respond to questions any way they choose. Buyers can move on, ignore, or not buy from sellers where the response is not to their liking. Today I got asked for a discount on an item that I sell buy it now, FREE shipping, for a whopping $18. I've sold several at this price, sold one a couple of days ago. After fees, packing, and postage, I am netting about $11. Discount? Not going to happen.
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I've had these Dia-Compe SS-5 levers (Black) for many years. They have held up great, with no issues. They came with the rubberized lever "covers". I'm using them with a Suntour Rollercam in the back and Pedersen SE cantilever in the front - they work great with both types of brake.
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I’ll take a guess fees and postage are $3-$5 which would equate to 375%-550% markup on the item itself. The anti-Alists in my parts would want their pound of flesh!
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Sellers can ask any price they want, and respond to questions any way they choose. Buyers can move on, ignore, or not buy from sellers where the response is not to their liking. Today I got asked for a discount on an item that I sell buy it now, FREE shipping, for a whopping $18. I've sold several at this price, sold one a couple of days ago. After fees, packing, and postage, I am netting about $11. Discount? Not going to happen.
Swap meet example:
Nice item, fairly priced as far as I was concerned. Clearly marked.
Couple comes by, very nice yoga pants, and he's smarter than everyone in the room..
Makes a low ball offer. Politely, "no thanks, I'm sticking to my price."
Counters with 3 reasons why his price is right. "no thanks, I'm sticking to my price."
Counters with a slightly higher offer. Eye roll from the yoga pants. "no thanks."
Next counter is an assumption referring to my ability to use, sell, find matches for the part .
Enough. "Why don't you go get a cup of coffee, on me, and I'll discuss it with her in private."
Off they went. A good exit strategy is important.
Yes, she glanced back. I doubt they'll last.
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Unfortunately, I am not old enough to remember a very competent Cleveland Browns team. I started following them in the mid 90s. The packers were my backup team when the Browns left. It seems like a lot of NE Ohio went that way.
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It's all the suffering that let's you know I am a real fan.... right? It has to be worth something!
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Unfortunately, I am not old enough to remember a very competent Cleveland Browns team. I started following them in the mid 90s. The packers were my backup team when the Browns left. It seems like a lot of NE Ohio went that way.
It's all the suffering that let's you know I am a real fan.... right? It has to be worth something!
It's all the suffering that let's you know I am a real fan.... right? It has to be worth something!
There's a reason Rockne's is in Cleveland. Belongs there.
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Ever collected something as an investment? If not, then I understand why you don't understand. I've bought things in their original packaging and resold them a decade later for many times the price. The value of any collectible item is usually linked to it's scarcity, and it stands to reason that there are typically fewer of whatever left in the original packaging than not, hence value is added for that.
If you think buying and selling things with a value attached to packaging means someone has "issues" then I can only suggest that you broaden your perspective a bit...-Gregory
If you think buying and selling things with a value attached to packaging means someone has "issues" then I can only suggest that you broaden your perspective a bit...-Gregory
But turning functional objects into untouchable and unusable "collectables" represents, in my opinion, something of a hangup. Not just for the reason mentioned above, but also because you are consciously increasing the price that other people will have to pay to use an item as intended. And yes, I am a capitalist, but I believe that speculating on certain items and in certain ways is morally questionable.
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Its the beauty of eBay. Sellers can ask any price they want, and respond to questions any way they choose. Buyers can move on, ignore, or not buy from sellers where the response is not to their liking.