Am I at elite level? Break down my data/ power data
05-25-20, 11:10 AM
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05-25-20, 11:13 AM
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Take your power output (kJ) for a given time interval, and divide it by your weight in kilograms to get your W/kg. For instance, 270W for 20 minutes for a 90kg rider = 3.0W/kg. Elite riders will be over 5W/kg for their FTP. Often way over.
I'm not really sure what to do with the HR zones, except maybe use a different calculator to define them, such as this one. Your current setting seems to indicate a max HR of maybe 200 and an LTHR of 190.
That effort does not appear to be a tempo effort.
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I'm still not exactly sure where you're going with this. I'm using a Wahoo with a PM, the OP is using a Wahoo with a PM. Are you saying that you would expect Wahoo to report something like 1300-1400 cal/hour with the above efforts?
05-25-20, 11:32 AM
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Yeah. It's not unusual to hit 800kcal/hr with a modest effort and the Wahoo algorithm. Though presumably if the HR zones in the Wahoo are set to astronomical numbers, that might explain the proximity of the kcal and kJ.
My ride this morning was exactly one hour @ 77% intensity, 711kJ and 900kcal. That's actually pretty close for the algorithm. Yesterday was 51 miles @ 63% intensity, 1,674kJ but a whopping 2,515kcal. The longer the effort, the bigger the disparity, IME.
My ride this morning was exactly one hour @ 77% intensity, 711kJ and 900kcal. That's actually pretty close for the algorithm. Yesterday was 51 miles @ 63% intensity, 1,674kJ but a whopping 2,515kcal. The longer the effort, the bigger the disparity, IME.
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He seems to have a similar build to Ian Stannard. Here is a Strava Clip of his numbers from TOB a while ago.
https://roadcyclinguk.com/sportive/s...tain-ride.html
https://roadcyclinguk.com/sportive/s...tain-ride.html
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Yeah. It's not unusual to hit 800kcal/hr with a modest effort and the Wahoo algorithm. Though presumably if the HR zones in the Wahoo are set to astronomical numbers, that might explain the proximity of the kcal and kJ.
My ride this morning was exactly one hour @ 77% intensity, 711kJ and 900kcal. That's actually pretty close for the algorithm. Yesterday was 51 miles @ 63% intensity, 1,674kJ but a whopping 2,515kcal. The longer the effort, the bigger the disparity, IME.
My ride this morning was exactly one hour @ 77% intensity, 711kJ and 900kcal. That's actually pretty close for the algorithm. Yesterday was 51 miles @ 63% intensity, 1,674kJ but a whopping 2,515kcal. The longer the effort, the bigger the disparity, IME.
05-25-20, 12:22 PM
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If a Wahoo file is given to Strava with Power + HR, Strava takes the HR algorithm number from Wahoo for calories.
If a Wahoo file is given to Strava with Power, Strava uses their own 1.1 x kJ to give calories. Wahoo head units without an HRM give a calorie count of zero.
I learned this riding with my wife, when I will be way down in Z1, where Wahoo defaults to a BMR-based calorie calculation. I would have rides with 600kJ and 188kcal.
Via that algorithm, I've seen as low as 8kcal.mi. So now when I ride with her, I leave the HRM at home.
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Sup everyone. I completed a century ride the other day. I've been going over my data and I wanted some data junkies to breakdown my numbers and tell me what they think. Tear it apart if you will, I'm looking for honest feedback if I should be pacing better, taking it easier on my climbs etc. A little bit about the route... It was mainly climbing and rolling hills. Looking forward to building a conversation around this. Let me know if you need more info.
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[Very insightful post above mine, complaining about typical boorish BF culture on display in this thread, was deleted by the author]
Welcome to Bike Forums. The kind of stuff you mention above bothered me for a long time when I first started posting here. You can complain all you want, but I doubt it will ever change. "It is what it is", in the parlance of the day. It's a mysterious force unto itself.
Welcome to Bike Forums. The kind of stuff you mention above bothered me for a long time when I first started posting here. You can complain all you want, but I doubt it will ever change. "It is what it is", in the parlance of the day. It's a mysterious force unto itself.
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Sorry for the barrage, just curious.
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It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
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05-26-20, 05:36 AM
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looks like your from the city 9 w has a lot of fast riding groups see if you can hang with one of the fastest groups out there for a couple hours if so your still not elite but very much on your way there. As on any given weekend. You will find a lot of cat 1 and 2 riders training
05-26-20, 07:24 AM
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I did the 2018 AOMM for 103mi and 11300 feet climbing in only 20min longer than you took to do those 7000 feet. On less power too.
I'd say no. You and I are both average. Welcome to the club of being normal! At the time I was just a clubbie rider and trained up some longer rides to be able to "finish" the fondo.
I can climb in Zwift at least up the Alpe these days at close to a 4.0w/kg for the 50 or so minutes. Nothing stellar. That's pretty ho hum when you realize there's plenty of folks out there doing 5.0w/kg for that amount of time no problem.
The old Coggan w/kg table is useless. It's about results.
I'd say no. You and I are both average. Welcome to the club of being normal! At the time I was just a clubbie rider and trained up some longer rides to be able to "finish" the fondo.
I can climb in Zwift at least up the Alpe these days at close to a 4.0w/kg for the 50 or so minutes. Nothing stellar. That's pretty ho hum when you realize there's plenty of folks out there doing 5.0w/kg for that amount of time no problem.
The old Coggan w/kg table is useless. It's about results.
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Because the chart really doesn't mean anything. The original didn't have race categories attributed to it, that was just added on later as marketing gibberish.
It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
05-26-20, 08:48 AM
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OP, want to find out if you are "Elite"? Go pin on a number. If you Cat up quickly, you might be on your way to becoming "elite", but don't be surprised if you get spit out OTB.
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Because the chart really doesn't mean anything. The original didn't have race categories attributed to it, that was just added on later as marketing gibberish.
It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
Get bounced around in a crit a little bit, then decide if being an elite cyclist is for you.
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Because the chart really doesn't mean anything. The original didn't have race categories attributed to it, that was just added on later as marketing gibberish.
It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
It has nothing to do with actual racing. You could have someone with 20 min power in the "Cat 4" bracket that wins p/1/2 races simply because they know how to race and have an awesome sprint. Conversely, you can have cat 1s with 5s power in the "Cat 4" bracket because they aren't sprinters. Just doesn't matter, and no one is great at everything.
The only way to compare yourself to other bike racers is in a race. Charts are not races, power outputs are not races, training rides are not races. Even zwift is not comparable to a real race.
And while w/kg at FTP is important on long climbs. Power to surface ratio is more important on the flats, and 10 second (sprinting) and 1 minute power are more important in other aspects of racing.
So for me, I can time trial at a pretty decent level, ocassionally win sprints, and do ok on courses with short punchy hills. But I couldn't win a Cat 5 race with long sustained climbs.
There's more to bike racing than just FTP w/kg.
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It's not useless. It is often misused.
The purpose of the chart is identify strengths and weaknesses.
You can then race your strengths, and train your weaknesses.
So for example if your one minute power is exceptional, relative to your 10 second power, you may be better off taking a flyer in the final kilometer, than waiting for the sprint.
There was a guy on here Waterrockets, that did exactly that. In part by looking at his power data, he realized his greatest strength was power for the time it took to cover 1km, and he started winning races using that knowledge.
So use the chart to compare yourself to yourself, not to compare yourself to others.
The purpose of the chart is identify strengths and weaknesses.
You can then race your strengths, and train your weaknesses.
So for example if your one minute power is exceptional, relative to your 10 second power, you may be better off taking a flyer in the final kilometer, than waiting for the sprint.
There was a guy on here Waterrockets, that did exactly that. In part by looking at his power data, he realized his greatest strength was power for the time it took to cover 1km, and he started winning races using that knowledge.
So use the chart to compare yourself to yourself, not to compare yourself to others.
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It's not useless. It is often misused.
The purpose of the chart is identify strengths and weaknesses.
You can then race your strengths, and train your weaknesses.
So for example if your one minute power is exceptional, relative to your 10 second power, you may be better off taking a flyer in the final kilometer, than waiting for the sprint.
There was a guy on here Waterrockets, that did exactly that. In part by looking at his power data, he realized his greatest strength was power for the time it took to cover 1km, and he started winning races using that knowledge.
So use the chart to compare yourself to yourself, not to compare yourself to others.
The purpose of the chart is identify strengths and weaknesses.
You can then race your strengths, and train your weaknesses.
So for example if your one minute power is exceptional, relative to your 10 second power, you may be better off taking a flyer in the final kilometer, than waiting for the sprint.
There was a guy on here Waterrockets, that did exactly that. In part by looking at his power data, he realized his greatest strength was power for the time it took to cover 1km, and he started winning races using that knowledge.
So use the chart to compare yourself to yourself, not to compare yourself to others.
So yes, it could be used that way!
By that chart then let's see what I come up with:
-5s sprint: locker room legend
-1min: above average, Boonen
-5min: locker room legend
-20min: Boonen
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It's not useless. It is often misused.
The purpose of the chart is identify strengths and weaknesses.
You can then race your strengths, and train your weaknesses.
So for example if your one minute power is exceptional, relative to your 10 second power, you may be better off taking a flyer in the final kilometer, than waiting for the sprint.
There was a guy on here Waterrockets, that did exactly that. In part by looking at his power data, he realized his greatest strength was power for the time it took to cover 1km, and he started winning races using that knowledge.
So use the chart to compare yourself to yourself, not to compare yourself to others.
The purpose of the chart is identify strengths and weaknesses.
You can then race your strengths, and train your weaknesses.
So for example if your one minute power is exceptional, relative to your 10 second power, you may be better off taking a flyer in the final kilometer, than waiting for the sprint.
There was a guy on here Waterrockets, that did exactly that. In part by looking at his power data, he realized his greatest strength was power for the time it took to cover 1km, and he started winning races using that knowledge.
So use the chart to compare yourself to yourself, not to compare yourself to others.
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The latter happens to most people starting out in bike racing. It takes time to develop. If you do start racing, make sure you give at least a year before you decide anything.
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