Cemmac

Hi,

I'm thinkig about Cervelo S3 2020 Rim brake bike. How much would that bike weight with some carbon 42-48mm weells. Does anyone have 2019 and tell me what is the position of rider for long rides - neck hurting, or it's cool?
I just wish an aero bike, my preference is acctually climber but the beauty of aero look.

Dan333SP

The position on the bike will depend on the fit you get. Why don't you measure your current setup and see if an S3 can accommodate what works for you? Someone else's experience with fit on a bike will be completely irrelevant for you.

Noctilux.95

Most likely in the 16-lbs range. This is assuming it will come with first or second tier drivetrain like Dura Ace or Ultegra, some decent carbon wheels, and fairly lightweight cockpit.

Cemmac

Currently i have 2013 Cube Agree Pro, some more starter classic road bike. This bike was marked with review cons: "Sluggish when riding out of the saddle".

I don't know how aero is capable to riding out of saddle, if you think that it has longer top tube and more lying position...it should be awkward. Or am i wrong? Off course you can always buy smaller frame, but this is not solution

Cemmac

16lbs is very lightweight. my buget go to near Ultegra Di2 not going far than 5k$ for bike...

melikebikey35

Compare the geometry charts of the two bikes...thats the best way of knowing. However, the S3 has very relaxed geometry (high stack, short reach) for an aero bike. Here is the geometry chart: https://www.cervelo.com/en/s3
Only you can decide if it will fit. But please don't buy an aero bike, then add 20mm+ of spacers. That defeats the whole purpose of an aero bike.

Weight wise, you're definitely not going to be anywhere near 16 lbs. You'll be looking more at 18.5+ lbs, depending on the wheels you go with. Aero bikes are heavy.

ingo

this is a 2017 and the 2020 bike is a lighter frame and handlebar. 16.07 lbs (7296g) as shown, nothing special done to it and these wheels are heavy. Stiff neck has no relation to aero frame.
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Cemmac

Thanks for the point. I'll check.

Cemmac

This bike is astonishing beautiful. I'll rather have 2017 look like new 2020 red/black. What weight matters, my local dealer told me that i'll never get under 17.6lbs, i'mean complete bike with wheels included...

Canyon aeroroad CF SL 8.0 Di2 - has 62mm DT Swiss and weights 7.30kg (i couldn't post link)

Cemmac

This bike is astonishing beautiful. I'll rather have 2017 look like new 2020 red/black. What weight matters, my local dealer told me that i'll never get under 17.6lbs, i'mean complete bike with wheels included...

Canyon aeroroad CF SL 8.0 Di2 - has 62mm DT Swiss and weights 16.09lbs (7,30kg) (i couldn't post link)

washed up

Multiple centuries on this bike and no neck or back issues that you wouldn't ordinarily get on 100 mile rides. Absolutely love the bike.

Bah Humbug

That looks so much like last year's SystemSix I thought it was a joke.

Seattle Forrest

I don't especially like the way any of the S line looks. Cervelo usually goes with awful paint.

I had a Soloist for a few years, it was a precursor to the S bikes. That thing was fast! Mine was aluminum (yes Cervelo used to make metal bikes) and had crappy wheels. It was heavy, for a race bike. At the time I also had a modern R3. I enjoyed riding the R3 more, but I could sprint faster on the Soloist. Meaning my best times on sprint segments were all from the Soloist.

The newer S series bikes have only gotten better.

Bah Humbug

I used to have an S1, which was a twin to yours. It was the last year they made it, actually. Naked, with good wheels, it was like cheating. Once it has bottles and a saddle bag, it doesn't feel any faster than my R2.

Seattle Forrest

It definitely wasn't as comfortable (for me) to ride as my R3. But it was so much better than the CX bike I sold to fund the purchase and replaced it with, that I never complained about ride quality.

Honestly ride quality is more than just "how bumpy does crappy pavement feel." For me, the way a bike handles, how it takes a corner, how much control you feel you have over it, is more important than "comfort." Cervelos handle the way I expect a bike to, the way I feel like a bike should handle. They've got me for life, or until they stop making bikes like that.

base2 

My R5 is 17.5 pounds with 78mm Enve 7.8's, and a "heavy" Redshift dual position aluminum seat post, saddle mounted dual bottle cages, down/seat tube bottle cages, pedals, Ultegra mechanicals, butyl tubes, etc...Heck, even with aerobars it's 18.4 pounds.

Dunno what all the "You'll never get under xx pounds" talk is about. You could strip all that stuff off, get a light non-aero tubular wheelset, small cassette, with an Extralight crank, maybe some egg-beaters & 16 pounds would be totally doable...not sure if you'd be faster though after eschewing all the aero.

Seattle Forrest

Photos please.

I had an R3 SL, retired it after being hit by a car. Always wanted an R5.

base2 

20200113_160423 by Richard Mozzarella, on Flickr
Edit: I just re-cabled it yesterday with red Jagwire compressionless kevlar reinforced housing & red bar tape...'cause red is faster. But honestly, red just looks better.

The seatpost flip-flops from TT to road positions on the fly. So spending 30 or 40 minutes up on the bars is really, IMO, NBD. Same power & HR in both positions. The Rotor Qarbon ring is indexed to position 4, since this photo, FWIW.

Noctilux.95

You should also consider a race geometry bike with aero wheels and aero cockpit that gives you a similar look. I just built a Cervelo R5 disk (rim brake is available) with such components.

Cemmac

How is the climbing with that bike? More of seated or you can naturally stand up from saddle and push? Tnx all

base2 

I'm probably seeming like a Cervelo fan boy here but, it's worth remembering that published weight numbers are often based on Fantasyland lolly-pops & rainbows.

The difference between a size 48 frameset and the size 58 or 61 could be significant.
What about the difference between the 11-23(5) cassette the bike comes with and the 11-32 105 cassette you ride with? It isn't trivial.
Nor is the published weight sans pedals, v/s deciding you'd like to ride with pedals.
Or what about the published weight with ultralight 67 gram tubes with race rubber compared to 100 gram tubes & GP5000 or Gatorskins (or whatever) tires you'll eventually decide to get 'cause you got tired of flats. Do we even know what they baselined off of?
Even 2 middling bottle cages can be a quarter pound...

What I mean to say is apples-to-apples, published weight is more often than not a marketing gimmick designed to stack the deck in the manufacturers favor.

What you'll no doubt notice is all the posts here:
A) Favor the Cervelo's for long distance. (speed & comfort)
B) We've owned them for some time, & are very pleased with them.
C) We are all espousing aero over published weight
D) Because they are so good, we all feel they are worthy of further investment. (Enve's, clip-on TT bars, power meters, Q-rings, etc...)

I weigh 200 pounds. A 1 pound difference in actual bike as ridden weight (18.5 with TT bars) weight is 0.5% of my weight & even less so (0.4%) of the total. In short, at this level, published weight is meaningless & actual weight pales compared to aero fit.

I for one like the R5's longer wheel base v/s the S3. It makes for better rides up & faster, more stable rides down mountain passes.
The Cervélo excels.
You will not be disappointed.

Bah Humbug

And don't forget the weight difference of the paint schemes.

Cemmac

Do we have any comparison how quicker the same guy climb 7miles of 11% (e.g. Zoncolan Italy) with R5 compare to S3? Same guy, same watts...this could be normal like 2minutes less or more?

Seattle Forrest

Cervelo usually goes with terrible paint jobs but that one is hot! Nice bike! I wouldn't have thought to use an R5 for time trials, but I bet it works well.

Seattle Forrest

Since this thread is turning into a Cervelo love fest.



C3, Enve 4.5 ARs, Vector 2 pedals. Enve bars and stem too, the bars came with the wheels, and they let me trade the stem that came with the bike when I bought it. 18 pounds on the nose. This is at about 7,000 feet, I started around 3k.

Here it is again in its natural habitat!