All-City Gorilla Monsoon steel "monster cross” bike w/ clearance for 27.5 x 2.4 tires
02-27-18, 12:00 PM
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https://alutech-cycles.com/Classific...-Bicycle-Usage
According to the above link a 1("road" bike) is only a 1("road" bike).
A 2 is a 1("road" bike) + 2.
A 3 is a 1("road" bike)+ 2+ 3.
A 4 is a 1("road" bike)+ 2+ 3 +4.
A 5 is a 1("road" bike)+ 2+ 3 +4 + 5.
Correct?
According to the above link a 1("road" bike) is only a 1("road" bike).
A 2 is a 1("road" bike) + 2.
A 3 is a 1("road" bike)+ 2+ 3.
A 4 is a 1("road" bike)+ 2+ 3 +4.
A 5 is a 1("road" bike)+ 2+ 3 +4 + 5.
Correct?
02-27-18, 12:10 PM
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Russian troll factories are inflaming this "road bike" definition dispute to cause discord in America.
02-27-18, 12:11 PM
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That's pretty good, but it's a categorical system and not a hierarchical system. Also "road bike" is not a term used on the site or in the standard since it encompasses many different types of bikes meant only to be ridden on paved surfaces. For the purposes of the standard, a paved surface and a road are not the same thing. So I don't think that's correct.
Also, upon further research it appears category 1 bikes do not often include any adult road racing bikes, touring bikes or other bikes meant mostly for paved roadways. Those are usually category 2, with gravel bikes being category 3 and mountain bikes being 4/5.
Also, upon further research it appears category 1 bikes do not often include any adult road racing bikes, touring bikes or other bikes meant mostly for paved roadways. Those are usually category 2, with gravel bikes being category 3 and mountain bikes being 4/5.
02-27-18, 12:46 PM
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That's pretty good, but it's a categorical system and not a hierarchical system. Also "road bike" is not a term used on the site or in the standard since it encompasses many different types of bikes meant only to be ridden on paved surfaces. For the purposes of the standard, a paved surface and a road are not the same thing. So I don't think that's correct.
Also, upon further research it appears category 1 bikes do not often include any adult road racing bikes, touring bikes or other bikes meant mostly for paved roadways. Those are usually category 2, with gravel bikes being category 3 and mountain bikes being 4/5.
Also, upon further research it appears category 1 bikes do not often include any adult road racing bikes, touring bikes or other bikes meant mostly for paved roadways. Those are usually category 2, with gravel bikes being category 3 and mountain bikes being 4/5.
02-27-18, 01:36 PM
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An entire thread that devolved into arguing about narrow parochial definitions and jargon.
This entire thread sucks.
This entire thread sucks.
02-27-18, 01:46 PM
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Good to see another arbiter of what should and should not be discussed has arrived with nothing to contribute. I didn't get this weeks approved posting topics email, can you please resend at your earliest convenience.
02-27-18, 01:46 PM
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The neostructuralist paradigm of consensus is best method to determine the meaning of "road bike." The primary theme of Werther’s critique of capitalist libertarianism is a mythopoetical whole. Therefore, the example of the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus which is central to the pavement/dirt spectrum, Baudrillard uses the term ‘realism’ to denote the common ground between pavement and nonpavement.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
02-27-18, 02:02 PM
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What I've learned from all this is that All City should not release this product to the masses. It's just not worth the risk. Think about the children!!!!
02-27-18, 02:35 PM
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The neostructuralist paradigm of consensus is best method to determine the meaning of "road bike." The primary theme of Werther’s critique of capitalist libertarianism is a mythopoetical whole. Therefore, the example of the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus which is central to the pavement/dirt spectrum, Baudrillard uses the term ‘realism’ to denote the common ground between pavement and nonpavement.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
Baudrillard AND Foucalt, all in a pithy parody?
You have truly won my admiration. Drop the mic, sir, you've earned it.
02-27-18, 02:38 PM
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It really does though.
02-27-18, 02:50 PM
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There you go. This is legally binding* btw.
*prove me wrong
02-27-18, 03:18 PM
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The neostructuralist paradigm of consensus is best method to determine the meaning of "road bike." The primary theme of Werther’s critique of capitalist libertarianism is a mythopoetical whole. Therefore, the example of the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus which is central to the pavement/dirt spectrum, Baudrillard uses the term ‘realism’ to denote the common ground between pavement and nonpavement.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
Memo: By all the internet power vested in me by virtue of having an opinion on the internet, I hereby declare that you can voice an opinion on how much this thread sucks. This dispensation shall extend to any and all threads in which a bunch of people crap all over a bike company for making a bike that doesn't specifically match their arbitrary and random list of qualifications for what a bike should be, as well as any and all threads where cranky retrogrouches get into pedantic arguments about precise definitions of terms that are inherently fluid.
There you go. This is legally binding* btw.
*prove me wrong
There you go. This is legally binding* btw.
*prove me wrong
02-27-18, 03:32 PM
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Sorry, but someone had to tell you.
02-27-18, 04:30 PM
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Alright, we can un-suck the thread...
Let's just call that the Gorilla Monsoon is a road bike. There, thread un-sucked. Carry on...
02-27-18, 06:45 PM
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May God have mercy on all of our souls...
02-27-18, 07:05 PM
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WTH is a 'Gorilla Monsoon' anyway?
no one seems to have questioned the bike's unusual name...Let's keep the eye on the ball, folks!
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02-27-18, 10:30 PM
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It's not arbitrary at all, I posted this is another thread:
Your gravel bike is most likely a 2. The gorilla monsoon would be a 3 or a 4. Modern production bicycles are highly engineered goods produced in ISO Certified factories by multi-national conglomerates, designed by engineers that in some cases have decades of experience. The categories that exist are so for specific reasons, marketing has blurred these lines but there are absolutely defined lines on what bikes are designed for what intended purpose.
How many millions of dollars do you think it would cost Dorel Industries if they sold a bike built to road bike spec as a gravel bike and someone snaps the relatively under built fork on a gravel road? The first thing brought to suit would be the marketing for the bike showing how it is ridden on gravel and how the plaintiff was doing the same thing when they were injured.
Your gravel bike is most likely a 2. The gorilla monsoon would be a 3 or a 4. Modern production bicycles are highly engineered goods produced in ISO Certified factories by multi-national conglomerates, designed by engineers that in some cases have decades of experience. The categories that exist are so for specific reasons, marketing has blurred these lines but there are absolutely defined lines on what bikes are designed for what intended purpose.
How many millions of dollars do you think it would cost Dorel Industries if they sold a bike built to road bike spec as a gravel bike and someone snaps the relatively under built fork on a gravel road? The first thing brought to suit would be the marketing for the bike showing how it is ridden on gravel and how the plaintiff was doing the same thing when they were injured.
The rest of that first paragraph is just assumptions.
As for the Dorel hypothetical, i agree with you- brands need to have framesets built to handle the intended use and more(since people are dumb).
Not sure what this paragraph has to do with whst ive posted thru the thread, but again, i agree with you on the hypothetical and how it would be bad for Dorel.
02-27-18, 10:33 PM
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02-27-18, 11:05 PM
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Its a frankenbike.
I see no need for this, as there are plenty of vintage MTB's that could re-purposed and accomplish the same task.
Unless, you must have disk brakes, that's another thread though.
I see no need for this, as there are plenty of vintage MTB's that could re-purposed and accomplish the same task.
Unless, you must have disk brakes, that's another thread though.
02-28-18, 06:34 AM
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The neostructuralist paradigm of consensus is best method to determine the meaning of "road bike." The primary theme of Werther’s critique of capitalist libertarianism is a mythopoetical whole. Therefore, the example of the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus which is central to the pavement/dirt spectrum, Baudrillard uses the term ‘realism’ to denote the common ground between pavement and nonpavement.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
“Society is part of the stasis of language,” says Foucault; however, according to Dietrich, it is not so much society that is part of the stasis of language, but rather the failure, and eventually the collapse, of society. However, if the neostructuralist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between realism and capitalist modernism, and this structure of thought is mirrored when considering road bike and other bike.
02-28-18, 07:37 AM
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To be serious for just a few seconds (and then I'll stop - I promise), All City is just a little too quirky-cutesy with their names for me. But I'm old and crabby, so that might be it. Ironically, the worst offenders (Space Horse and now Gorilla Monsoon) are the bikes I'm most interested in from an intended use and geometry point of view. Go figure.
02-28-18, 07:46 AM
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I have used a couple of vintage MTBs for this very same purpose. I would have to disagree with you. Disc brakes aside, there is a huge difference in going to 700c wheels and a much lower BB. There are other factors, all in favor of the modern gravel bike, but the two I just mentioned are more than enough for me when it comes to all-day riding on any kind of road. YMMV, of course.
02-28-18, 08:59 AM
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Most of their bike names are derived from wrestling. Not sure about the space horse though. But it always makes me think of the Space Coyote episode of The Simpsons where Johnny Cash voices a character in Homer's hallucination.
02-28-18, 09:08 AM
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My Macho Man doesn't have the name displayed anywhere on the bike. It looks like that is the case with most, if not all, of their bikes. For whatever that's worth. The weird thing though is that I'm always craving Slim Jims on long rides.