Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Your opinions on the "run-up and drift back"

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Your opinions on the "run-up and drift back"

Old 07-07-19, 01:18 PM
  #51  
Hermes
Version 3.0
 
Hermes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SoCal
Posts: 11,573

Bikes: Too Many

Mentioned: 290 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 606 Post(s)
Liked 127 Times in 94 Posts
Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
I've never seen this in a group ride even race/rides. Doesn't even make sense logically to burn matches sprinting to the front last min just to be at the front at the start of the hill. What is more common at least around here is to simply try to time your pulls so you're near the front when it starts or it there's a downhill prior use momentum to get around towards the front at the base
I agree. The physiology just does not make sense. If one has the ability to charge ahead, why not just try to conserve on the way to the climb use the energy to hang in. Generally, one is always capable of doing more than one thinks. A lot of hanging on in any situation is mental.

Second, having a surge to the front drift back plan just sounds odd and self defeating. I like to think I can hang and let me be proven wrong.

Now, being in the front of a larger group on the start of a climb gives one options if the I can hang strategy degrades into a I am losing contact and I wonder if there are others behind me that are as well. One can then work with the group that did not make the selection. If I am the only one that does not make the selection then welcome to Offthebackistan.

The drift back strategy is weak sauce at best in any situation.

BTS, you need to find much better riders with whom to train. This is going nowhere.
Hermes is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 01:22 PM
  #52  
asgelle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 3,749
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 428 Post(s)
Liked 31 Times in 21 Posts
Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
I agree. The physiology just does not make sense. If one has the ability to charge ahead, why not just try to conserve on the way to the climb use the energy to hang in.
Because the former depends on W/CdA and the latter on W/kg.
asgelle is offline  
Likes For asgelle:
Old 07-07-19, 09:19 PM
  #53  
Carbonfiberboy 
just another gosling
 
Carbonfiberboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 15,247

Bikes: CoMo Speedster 2003, Trek 5200, CAAD 9, Fred 2004

Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1935 Post(s)
Liked 85 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
I agree. The physiology just does not make sense. If one has the ability to charge ahead, why not just try to conserve on the way to the climb use the energy to hang in. Generally, one is always capable of doing more than one thinks. A lot of hanging on in any situation is mental.

Second, having a surge to the front drift back plan just sounds odd and self defeating. I like to think I can hang and let me be proven wrong.

Now, being in the front of a larger group on the start of a climb gives one options if the I can hang strategy degrades into a I am losing contact and I wonder if there are others behind me that are as well. One can then work with the group that did not make the selection. If I am the only one that does not make the selection then welcome to Offthebackistan.

The drift back strategy is weak sauce at best in any situation.

BTS, you need to find much better riders with whom to train. This is going nowhere.
It also doesn't make sense because that's not what's happening - being told us by someone who has a bone to pick. I've frequently gone by the leaders with a 5-10 mph speed differential. I don't sprint to get it. I simply move to the left, get down in full aero and keep a moderate pressure on the descent. I hold gear and bike position until I start up the hill, still holding aero but now giving full climbing power and downshiftng every time the needle gets close to 90rpm. Yeah, probably does look like I'm sprinting. I move to the right and get ready for some riders to pass. My w/kg isn't that great, though I'm not fat either.

I've tried to explain to other riders how I do it, doesn't seem to help. It's getting the coefficient and the area down. The weird thing is that's how you're supposed to ride. Most riders are too lazy. When one pulls out of the line on a descent, one should move backward, not forward. Draft extends back maybe 30'. Sometime I do get to ride with folks who aren't lazy. Then I can suck wheel all the time.

Asgelle is more terse.
__________________
Results matter
Carbonfiberboy is offline  
Likes For Carbonfiberboy:
Old 07-07-19, 10:53 PM
  #54  
caloso
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 38,334

Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper

Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1962 Post(s)
Liked 358 Times in 201 Posts
Meh. If you’re not putting others at risk, causing gaps, or otherwise being a jackass, I wouldn’t sweat it.
caloso is offline  
Likes For caloso:
Old 07-07-19, 11:46 PM
  #55  
Camilo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,550
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 231 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 10 Posts
I often pass fellow group riders downhill because (1) I like to go as fast as possible downhill and they don't and (2), I work harder at going fast downhill (pushing over the top, body position, line, etc.) and have a fairly small frontal area because of my size.

I'm not a strong climber so a lot of them pass me when the terrain changes. I hold my position and take my turn at the front on the flats and rollers when I can - assuming I can pull. If I'm too weak, I'll either make a token gesture at pulling or just hang in.

Nobody I know gives a flying rat's ass about any of this stuff. We just enjoy riding with each other.
Camilo is offline  
Likes For Camilo:
Old 07-09-19, 02:23 PM
  #56  
teejaywhy
Senior Member
 
teejaywhy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: AZ
Posts: 144

Bikes: 2019 Specialized Roubaix Expert; 2018 Breezer Thunder Expert

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 73 Post(s)
Liked 28 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
...
Has the person been yelled at?
lol
teejaywhy is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
acboett
General Cycling Discussion
24
07-13-18 12:23 PM
mckeithen
Road Cycling
20
06-07-14 09:38 PM
dennisa
Road Cycling
9
07-27-10 09:50 AM
ilovetheewind
Road Cycling
3
04-12-10 05:48 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.