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The fastest way to the top?

Old 07-09-19, 07:12 AM
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Ever heard of an "under-over" workout done at threshold or over? That's your ticket.

"Under" during the easier grades (the flatter part of a switchback) and "over" during the tougher grades (the steeper part of a switchback).

A set might be 9 minutes with 1u2o repeated 3x until hitting 9 minutes. Under might be done at 95 to 100% and the over from 100 to 110% or something.

Watch Gaimon go after a KOM. It might steady out for constant grades, but you'll notice him give more in sections and less in others.
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Old 07-09-19, 07:20 AM
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I dial it up to 400 watts and keep that effort for the duration.
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Old 07-09-19, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
I dial it up to 400 watts and keep that effort for the duration.
Oh please, if you want to ever matter, you have to dial it up to 470w now.
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Old 07-09-19, 12:27 PM
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if it's a 30 minute climb does approaching it as fast as you can really help? sadly, for me, hills are about surviving. especially when it's hot

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Old 07-09-19, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Yeah, I don't have the lungs and legs for that. One of many reasons why I don't race, I can't handle violent rhythm changes.
You can't now, but if you train yourself to get used to them you can. Ironically, I'm in better cycling shape than I was when I raced regularly 4-5 years ago, but I do far fewer fast group rides and very infrequent races these days due to schedule and life so I'm in worse race shape than I was then, precisely because I'm not used to the super-intense anerobic efforts followed by active recovery over and over and over again. No matter how many intervals you do, nothing pushes you quite as hard as trying to close a widening gap to another rider in a race or fast ride.
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Old 07-09-19, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
I dial it up to 400 watts and keep that effort for the duration.
Hey Phil! Sorry to hear about your accident
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Old 07-09-19, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Racing Dan View Post
Its a net loss attacking at a speed higher than the expected ascent speed, - unless of course the initial speed is "free", form descending the previous hill or because its your normal cruise speed on flat road.

- Reason being overcomeing wind resistance is Very labour intensive and even a very fast approach will only gain a few metres before you are back down to normal ascent speed.


Yeah, this is generally speeding up on the descent before a hill, but even then I sometimes get passed later by riders taking a more steady approach.

Maybe I'll try it the other way for a while....
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Old 07-10-19, 02:25 PM
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Hell, I don't know. Most days, maintaining momentum by down-shifting to maintain a good balance between high cadence and an effort level somewhere close to LT seems to work best.

Other days, it seems no gear is low enough. Or, I get blown, hit a short flatter section, get a second wind and storm up to the top. Or, I feel sluggish and slow, but when I reach the top I find I've done it in record time.

If you're a pro, maybe(??) you spend a lot of time optimizing various factors (can't say from personal knowledge). For us mere mortals, it's all about feel on the day.
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