Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Grail as a bike road

Notices
Road Cycling It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle. -- Ernest Hemingway

Grail as a bike road

Old 09-19-19, 11:40 AM
  #1  
Franish
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Grail as a bike road

Hi there

I wanna use my canyon grail as a road bike on training and competition bike starts with road bikes on very amateur/regional level. Can we compare grail to endurance road bikes?
Franish is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 02:38 PM
  #2  
Zaskar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 396
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 228 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 28 Posts
Not sure what you mean by "competition bike starts" - I'll assume you're looking into beginner to intermediate-level racing, group rides, etc. The short answer is "Yes" - a Grail (any gravel bike) will work fine as a road bike.... assuming you swap the wheels/tires from the 40mm to something in the 25-28mm range.

I have a handful of road bikes - one is a light, aggressive (geometry) race bike. That bike definitely feels faster than my Grail. Part of it is weight. But at 18.5 lbs, the Grail isn't a tank by any means. It's really just the aggregation of factors - the weight, the longer rear triangle (chain stays), head tube angle, bottom bracket height. They're all subtle, but they add up. So, the Grail wouldn't be ideal for Cat1... or 2 or 3 or 4 racing... or crits... But, it's not so bad that it's going to be the reason you don't get on the podium as you start out. Plus, you get to go ride gravel and single track too!

If I had only one bike - it'd be that Grail with the two sets of wheels.
Zaskar is offline  
Old 09-20-19, 04:03 AM
  #3  
UsedToBeFaster
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 21
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
What he said above

Mechanically it will be fine. But the geo will put you in a non aero position
UsedToBeFaster is offline  
Old 09-20-19, 04:20 AM
  #4  
Dean V
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,470
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 858 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
Mechanically it will be fine. But the geo will put you in a non aero position
Why won't he be able to get an aero position?
Dean V is offline  
Old 09-20-19, 06:10 AM
  #5  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,472
Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1335 Post(s)
Liked 72 Times in 48 Posts
You will be fine with road riding, training, and racing. People have been racing RRs and crits on cross bikes for decades. This isn't all that different.

The one issue you may encounter is the handlebar - assuming you have the fancy, double-decker one. I'm not sure whether it violates any equipment rules or if the flex system will hamper you on the road.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 09-20-19, 06:25 AM
  #6  
UsedToBeFaster
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 21
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Large stack

From my limited experience riding one. Its an endurance bike so you are put more upright. Stacks is put at 600+ on Cannons site

Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Why won't he be able to get an aero position?
UsedToBeFaster is offline  
Old 09-20-19, 07:01 AM
  #7  
DrIsotope
Non omnino gravis
 
DrIsotope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: SoCal, USA!
Posts: 7,185

Bikes: Nekobasu, Pandicorn

Mentioned: 112 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3921 Post(s)
Liked 411 Times in 261 Posts
The stack on my Cervelo R3 is 605-- a scant 4mm shorter than my CX bike. I have absolutely no problems riding in an aero position on either of them. The stack on the AL framed Grail is the same for my size, 605. Maybe the OP is on aluminum.
__________________
DrIsotope is offline  
Old 09-23-19, 07:58 PM
  #8  
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 30,382

Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 907 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
From my limited experience riding one. Its an endurance bike so you are put more upright. Stacks is put at 600+ on Cannons site
Which means its gong to tend to set up in a more upright position. however with the right stem, frame size, etc, you should be able to set
it up with an aero position
merlinextraligh is offline  
Old 09-25-19, 07:50 AM
  #9  
UsedToBeFaster
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 21
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Yeah ...

Your both right of course, but making an endurance geo more like a racing geo with stems, and offset posts etc. doesnt work so well in my experience.

OP if your not going to race you will be fine. Practice drafting and never offer to pull(!) and you will never notice the endurance geo.

Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
The stack on my Cervelo R3 is 605-- a scant 4mm shorter than my CX bike. I have absolutely no problems riding in an aero position on either of them. The stack on the AL framed Grail is the same for my size, 605. Maybe the OP is on aluminum.
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Which means its gong to tend to set up in a more upright position. however with the right stem, frame size, etc, you should be able to set
it up with an aero position
UsedToBeFaster is offline  
Old 09-25-19, 08:01 AM
  #10  
DrIsotope
Non omnino gravis
 
DrIsotope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: SoCal, USA!
Posts: 7,185

Bikes: Nekobasu, Pandicorn

Mentioned: 112 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3921 Post(s)
Liked 411 Times in 261 Posts
The notion that the geo on an R3 is "endurance" is... not right. Could be my spidery arms and legs, but I have a zero offset post, a 110 stem... and right around 7 inches of saddle-to-bar drop.
__________________
DrIsotope is offline  
Old 09-25-19, 10:05 AM
  #11  
HTupolev
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,910
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1295 Post(s)
Liked 103 Times in 67 Posts
Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
The notion that the geo on an R3 is "endurance" is... not right. Could be my spidery arms and legs, but I have a zero offset post, a 110 stem... and right around 7 inches of saddle-to-bar drop.
Your build might not be an "endurance" fit, but minimizing saddle setback and using a long stem indicates that the frame itself is fairly slack and short for the build.

For example, my gravel bike, built from an old mountain bike with beach-cruiser-esque geometry:



On my "normal" road bikes I don't ride with my saddle pushed forward on a zero-offset post, but because the frame is so slack, I had to do that to achieve a road-like fit.
HTupolev is online now  
Old 09-25-19, 12:00 PM
  #12  
DrIsotope
Non omnino gravis
 
DrIsotope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: SoCal, USA!
Posts: 7,185

Bikes: Nekobasu, Pandicorn

Mentioned: 112 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3921 Post(s)
Liked 411 Times in 261 Posts
The only thing that blue bike shares in common with an R3 is that they're both bicycles. I bet it's hella smooth and stable-- after all, you've got the wheelbase of a compact car. The R3, not so much.

__________________
DrIsotope is offline  
Old 09-25-19, 01:29 PM
  #13  
Dean V
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,470
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 858 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
Your build might not be an "endurance" fit, but minimizing saddle setback and using a long stem indicates that the frame itself is fairly slack and short for the build.

For example, my gravel bike, built from an old mountain bike with beach-cruiser-esque geometry:



On my "normal" road bikes I don't ride with my saddle pushed forward on a zero-offset post, but because the frame is so slack, I had to do that to achieve a road-like fit.
Since when was 110mm considered to be a long stem?
You need to consider body proportions with regard to fit and this "endurance geometry".
If you have longer than average legs like I do and obviously "Dr Isotope" does you may well need a tall stack height ("endurance") to get a "race fit".
A "race bike" is not really usable without bulk spacers, flipped up stems etc.
Dean V is offline  
Old 09-26-19, 07:48 AM
  #14  
Zaskar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 396
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 228 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 28 Posts
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
A "race bike" is not really usable without bulk spacers, flipped up stems etc.
Huh?
Zaskar is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Pirate11
Bicycle Mechanics
7
01-29-17 06:42 PM
imperius
Road Cycling
53
09-03-16 10:33 AM
Vexxer
Road Cycling
4
01-14-15 09:49 PM
Irishman909121
Road Cycling
9
07-06-11 11:20 PM
SD Fixed
Triathlon
7
03-06-11 07:31 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.