Help Identify? (Colnago/Saronni?)
10-25-19, 10:01 PM
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Help Identify? (Colnago/Saronni?)
Recently purchased this frame for a modest price. Colnago decals but has questionable/unique GS pantographs which I haven’t been able to find online. There’s a Columbus stamp on the fork, but otherwise I’m a bit clueless. For what it’s worth, a local (very reputable) shop believes it’s a Saronni. Is this an early Giuseppe Saronni frame? Thoughts?
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10-25-19, 10:49 PM
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We’ll definitely not Colnago IMO, but a cool bike. Decals look like 90’s Colnago, whereas frame is not later than early 80’s. Paint job isn’t up to the quality of the frame. Looks almost rattle can paint to me. I’ve never seen that pantograph before but Saronni is a good guess. The only Saronni bikes I’ve seen (in pictures) are Colnago with Saronni decals.
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10-26-19, 01:32 AM
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I think it's version III of the Saronni built by Technotrat, not Colnago.
Straight gauge no-name tubing without the Saronni embossed seat stay caps and the Colnago clover in the lower head tube lug.
Straight gauge no-name tubing without the Saronni embossed seat stay caps and the Colnago clover in the lower head tube lug.
10-26-19, 02:32 AM
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This is not a Colnago or a Saronni (Tecnotrat or otherwise).
Those engravings are of a bike shop in Genoa called GiEsse (giesse is just an Italian pronunciation of the letters G.S.). The shop may still be in business as there are listings online under either Antonietta Maria Di Barresi or Giampiero Cafferata, but both listed with the same address: via Sturla 78/R.
I've never found out what GS stood for, whether it was the initials of the original owner or if it was an acronym for something more mundane like Genova Sport or something like that.
Anyways, I don't know if they built any frames in-house or not. I have seen claims online that the owner of the shop did in fact build frames, but a full name or other proof is never provided.
Of the GiEsse frames I've seen online, a few looked like rebadged Viners and one like it could possibly be a Biemmezeta. Quite a few looked exactly like yours and I haven't really dug to find out if they match any known builders. Most of these had a decal across the bottom bracket (which is a pretty unusual location) that read "Super Corsa" so I'm assuming that would be the model.
Here are some pics:
This is a different panto style you'll find on some GiEsse frames:
Those engravings are of a bike shop in Genoa called GiEsse (giesse is just an Italian pronunciation of the letters G.S.). The shop may still be in business as there are listings online under either Antonietta Maria Di Barresi or Giampiero Cafferata, but both listed with the same address: via Sturla 78/R.
I've never found out what GS stood for, whether it was the initials of the original owner or if it was an acronym for something more mundane like Genova Sport or something like that.
Anyways, I don't know if they built any frames in-house or not. I have seen claims online that the owner of the shop did in fact build frames, but a full name or other proof is never provided.
Of the GiEsse frames I've seen online, a few looked like rebadged Viners and one like it could possibly be a Biemmezeta. Quite a few looked exactly like yours and I haven't really dug to find out if they match any known builders. Most of these had a decal across the bottom bracket (which is a pretty unusual location) that read "Super Corsa" so I'm assuming that would be the model.
Here are some pics:
This is a different panto style you'll find on some GiEsse frames:
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10-26-19, 03:17 AM
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@MauriceMoss does it again.
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Cool frame. What are your plans for it?
10-26-19, 07:20 AM
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This is not a Colnago or a Saronni (Tecnotrat or otherwise).
Those engravings are of a bike shop in Genoa called GiEsse (giesse is just an Italian pronunciation of the letters G.S.). The shop may still be in business as there are listings online under either Antonietta Maria Di Barresi or Giampiero Cafferata, but both listed with the same address: via Sturla 78/R.
I've never found out what GS stood for, whether it was the initials of the original owner or if it was an acronym for something more mundane like Genova Sport or something like that.
Anyways, I don't know if they built any frames in-house or not. I have seen claims online that the owner of the shop did in fact build frames, but a full name or other proof is never provided.
Of the GiEsse frames I've seen online, a few looked like rebadged Viners and one like it could possibly be a Biemmezeta. Quite a few looked exactly like yours and I haven't really dug to find out if they match any known builders. Most of these had a decal across the bottom bracket (which is a pretty unusual location) that read "Super Corsa" so I'm assuming that would be the model.
Those engravings are of a bike shop in Genoa called GiEsse (giesse is just an Italian pronunciation of the letters G.S.). The shop may still be in business as there are listings online under either Antonietta Maria Di Barresi or Giampiero Cafferata, but both listed with the same address: via Sturla 78/R.
I've never found out what GS stood for, whether it was the initials of the original owner or if it was an acronym for something more mundane like Genova Sport or something like that.
Anyways, I don't know if they built any frames in-house or not. I have seen claims online that the owner of the shop did in fact build frames, but a full name or other proof is never provided.
Of the GiEsse frames I've seen online, a few looked like rebadged Viners and one like it could possibly be a Biemmezeta. Quite a few looked exactly like yours and I haven't really dug to find out if they match any known builders. Most of these had a decal across the bottom bracket (which is a pretty unusual location) that read "Super Corsa" so I'm assuming that would be the model.
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Cicli GiEsse
G: Gianni
S: Sergio
The first names of the founders of Cicli Giesse. Gianni was the frame builder and had worked for the Italian national team, including as a mechanic at the Los Angeles Olympics. I'm not sure I ever knew their surnames. Giovanni's middle name was "Batiste." He made sure I knew that he was named for John the Baptist.
He made a custom frame (Columbus SL tubing) for me in the fall of 1989. It fit me perfectly, was very light for the time, and rode as well as any bike I've owned. I trained and raced on the bike for several years. The paint was pretty, but didn't hold up, so I had it repainted by a paint shop in Niwot, Colorado. Unfortunately it was irreparably damaged when I/it were struck by a car.
I have some non-digitized photos of it somewhere.
S: Sergio
The first names of the founders of Cicli Giesse. Gianni was the frame builder and had worked for the Italian national team, including as a mechanic at the Los Angeles Olympics. I'm not sure I ever knew their surnames. Giovanni's middle name was "Batiste." He made sure I knew that he was named for John the Baptist.
He made a custom frame (Columbus SL tubing) for me in the fall of 1989. It fit me perfectly, was very light for the time, and rode as well as any bike I've owned. I trained and raced on the bike for several years. The paint was pretty, but didn't hold up, so I had it repainted by a paint shop in Niwot, Colorado. Unfortunately it was irreparably damaged when I/it were struck by a car.
I have some non-digitized photos of it somewhere.
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