Chr0m0ly 

https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/b...114632972.html

I’m “academically” curious as to the value of this bike in Detroit. It’s too small for me, not small enough for my wife, but the chrome lugs and Reynolds sticker caught my eye.

If I had to guess it say straight tubed Reynolds triangle, hi-ten everything else, maybe Super Course level or a bit lower?

rando_couche

That's definitely NOT a Reynolds decal, so it's unlikely that it's a Reynolds 531 frame. If I were a collector of esoteric stuff, I'd be inclined to buy it for its relative uniqueness and good condition. It'd be a shame to buy it and strip/update it or use it as a "beater".

noobinsf 

If I had to guess, this decal reminds me of the "Araya 631" and similar stuff you see in early 70's Japanese imports. It's entirely possible it's a mimic decal that has no relationship with Reynolds. My two cents.

bikemig 

Oh yeah, that's not Reynolds. Here's mine:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ine-parts.html

TugaDude

This is the decal from bikemig. It looks somewhat similar to the decal on the OPs bike. All Reynolds stickers weren't exactly the same, so can it be that the Argentinian decals also had minor variations?

bikemig 

This is not a Reynolds frame bike. It's pretty and it's different though which is why I bought it.

noobinsf 

Here is an example of what I meant above, not my pic:

juvela

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listing now gone

one thing ownership would yield would be an opportunity to examine and pedal one of the Saavedra Copyolo chainsets...


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TugaDude

[QUOTE=bikemig;21482558]This is not a Reynolds frame bike. It's pretty and it's different though which is why I bought it.[/QUOTE

OK, thanks, I think I understand now.

Chr0m0ly 

Wasn’t me! LOL, interesting bike, and I’m glad to see someone else had a similar ride! Thanks for the clarification on the non-reynolds sticker, and the info.

That green paint is EXCELLENT!

bikemig 

Yeah I need to get that bike working. I took it apart and never put it back together again, lol. The parts are kind of cheesy copies of really early campy stuff and the wheels were so so. Pretty much everything on that bike is made in Argentina other than the hubs which are pelissier. I think I am going build that bike and hang it up in my work shed.

Chr0m0ly 

I don’t often agree with hanging bikes up as art, but that sounds like a perfect place for this one.

Chombi1 

It might be a bit far fetched that they would have made a British brand tubing in Argentina, considering the country's tumultuous relationship with each other...

bikemig 

Well the Falklands War (or the Malvinas depending on your point of view) is one thing but actually there are long-standing commercial ties between Argentina and the U.K. They play a lot of rugby in Argentina. And then there are football clubs like Newell's Old Boys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newell%27s_Old_Boys

The British played a key role in providing capital in building up Argentina and also built some of the infrastructure.

My guess with the bike is that it was made during an era when there were high import duties in an attempt to build up a local industry which explains why the frame and the parts were by and large built locally.

juvela

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+1

one o' me other interests is espresso coffee equipment

if one searches for it on mercdolibre.ar nearly all of the hits are indigenous sliverland produced pieces of kit

machines from europe are quite rare due to protectionist import duties

have a coffee e-friend who lives in B.A. who confirms this

reports that the silverland's coffee trade is controlled by a cartel which keeps everything locked down/in, as the case may be

would not be surprised if sports bicycles a similar situation...

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zukahn1 

Also the lug work is really rough I see really rough spots on the lugs and visible space between the lugs and frame tubes so yes likely south American as said.. Yet it has really nice paint and stripping typical of south american bikes..

Mushrooom

Argentinian industries of the 70s and 80s were comparable in quality to most western manufacturers. This is not any "south american bike", implying that anything that comes from South America is probably **** to some extent. It was not until the 90s, when privatization, cuts and mindless corruption took over that a lot of the local industries were closed or sold to foreign manufacturers. I'm ready to bet that this is actual Raynolds tubing. Depends on the year of course, but counterfeit was extremely rare in the 80s in Argentina. If it said "Industria Argentina", you were pretty much sure that it was high quality stuff. My parents still have some utensils "made in Argentina" and they are over 30 years old and still work perfectly. They also have a tendency to translate everything (like Beatles lyrics), so I wouldn't be surprised if they made their own decals just to have them in Spanish.

TMYK

dcalzo

This looks exactly like the bike I have. Argentina with CANOS 531 Trafilado sticker as well.

I would think this is not a fake especially since I have read that a lot of the items were renamed to show "assembled" in Argentina.

Anyways, mine is in good condition, original parts. would like to know it's value. I can't find anything to assist in this.