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Old 02-02-21, 08:22 AM
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For me, it's not about how fast I'm riding, or how big a gear I can push. It's about how LONG I'll be riding.
68 years old, two heart attacks, three heart stents, very bad knee. My bike has a power meter, and I wear a HRM. My gear combination is determined by my heart rate (my cardiologist loves that I ride, but gets really mad if I push my heartrate much over 155) and power output (too much too long, and my knee will rebel against me.)
18-20 MPH on the flats isn't a problem. The problem is, there aren't any flats around here!
50/34 crankset with 11-32 cassette, by the way. If I see the route has lots of long, steep climbs, I'll switch out to the 11-34.
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Old 02-02-21, 08:28 PM
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really flat here, but I have a 50/34 paired with a 14-28 that I do most of my on road riding. When I need to get hills on the trainer, I have a 11-28,11-30 or 11-34 that I can play around with.
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Originally Posted by 5 mph
I see lots of you zipping along at 20 mph for 30 miles. I 'm happy to see you do that, just please don't do it my area and embarrass me.
You guys are Fedex, I'm Ground delivery.. I'm just not a fast rider. Maybe the best I could manage is 17.5 mph for 17.5 miles but I do have. 1000' of hills to climb (and go down) no matter where I go around here.
However I don't want to be too humble. Everyone has a niche. In my case I have strong legs, so I never use my medium or small chain rings, even on hills, all my riding is on the large chain ring, even on steep hills.

Just wondering what Riding Style everyone is using out there?
when I rode my analog bike I averaged about 12-13 mph but my longest rides were 10-15 miles. Since I switched to a light weight Vado SL ebike, my average speed has been about 14-17 mph, but 30 or 40 miles is a more frequent distance.

The analog casual pedaling cadence speed (what I got at a high mid-gear with comfortable cadence and effort) was 10 mph. On my ebike it’s 12 mph.

I like going fast, but it’s not a major goal. The joy of being out and riding, alone or with friends, is the goal.
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Old 02-03-21, 08:13 PM
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I have a 77 Colnago Super with a 42/52 chainset and 15-21 FW. This is my Friday night around town bike to show off but now and then am reminded of how strong the original owner of this bike was. I like to take it out now and then for a training ride to see how I do on hills. The next day I feel it.
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Old 02-04-21, 06:38 AM
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I don't see the need for triples, and ride whatever gearing the bike has. I learned to spin back in high school in the 1970s, and have been a spinner ever since. When I began mountain biking in the 1990s, I was already accustomed to the high cadences needed for climbing over obstacles.

I'm building a fixed gear this year. It'll be 46-17. ~72 gear inches, or 19 mph at 90 rpms. That's the sweet spot for me.

The completed five bikes in 2020 and the only one I decided to keep was this 1971 Jeunet. I used period non-correct Campy Victory cranks, only because they give me the needed 116 BCD for lower gearing in the future. Now, it's 52/40T and 14-24T in the rear. I bit over-geared for the kind of riding I enjoy. When I can find chainrings affordably, I'll swap them down to 47/38T, keeping the 14-24T in the rear.

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Sounds like the area I live in, western WV. 1000ft/10 miles is pretty normal no climb over 1 mile in length, The ridges can kick your but.
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Old 02-07-21, 07:36 PM
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Not many long or steep hills around my house but lots of ups and downs. A typical 100 mile ride is 5000’ or more of climbing. Around the house I can usually stay in the big ring all day but that’s because I have some easy gears on the cassettes on the different bikes. When I ride in the mountains I’m grateful for the small ring.

On my bikes with 50/34 cranks, I have an 11-32 cassette on one and an 11-29 on the other. I have a 52/36 on my road disc bike and it has an 11-34 cassette. My gravel bike has a 46/30 crank and an 11-34 cassette. I think our tandem is a 53/42/30 crank with an 11-34 cassette.
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Originally Posted by 5 mph
I see lots of you zipping along at 20 mph for 30 miles. I 'm happy to see you do that, just please don't do it my area and embarrass me.
You guys are Fedex, I'm Ground delivery.. I'm just not a fast rider. Maybe the best I could manage is 17.5 mph for 17.5 miles but I do have. 1000' of hills to climb (and go down) no matter where I go around here.
However I don't want to be too humble. Everyone has a niche. In my case I have strong legs, so I never use my medium or small chain rings, even on hills, all my riding is on the large chain ring, even on steep hills.

Just wondering what Riding Style everyone is using out there?
Not sure what you consider a steep hill but in my case, there is no way I could get up some of the hills I ride on a 50T front ring even out of the saddle. Even if I could, why go through the torture? That is why we have compact doubles and 11-34 or 11-36 cassettes.
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Old 02-10-21, 03:43 PM
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I suppose I spend more time in the big ring than not, but I have no qualms about using all of the gears available. Especially on longer rides I don't see why I should risk pushing too hard and having to limp home.
Gearing combos on four bikes: 53/42/30 x 12-26; 52/36 x 12-27; 50-34 x 12-27; 50-34 x 11-32.
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Old 02-10-21, 05:13 PM
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So a question or two for the OP, 5 mph , are all those people passing you traveling solo? Or are these maybe peoples stats you are seeing posted online and don't know if they are solo or in a group?

I only get a few solo riders passing me when I'm out riding and I don't think they've quite made it to 20 mph just gauging by how slow they pass. If you are talking about riders in groups, then yes they will easily be faster than you and probably 20 mph plus.

If you can manage 17.5 mph solo for 35 miles or so, you might be surprised what you can do in a group of a half dozen or so riders once you learn to hold yourself in their draft and not go crazy pulling too hard out when it's your turn to pull.

Even a group of three gives you a noticeable draft and allows just enough time to rest up somewhat before it's your turn to pull. A group of two will benefit some, but the rest is short.

To answer some of your questions:

As for big or small ring. If I'm not wore out from a long ride, the big ring is all I need. Currently a 52/36 with 11-30. I've been musing about maybe going back to a 53/39 or perhaps just tightening up the back with an 11-28 or something. Haven't thought hard about it yet because the current front back combo works well for my normal rides. I'm pushing 63 for next month.

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Old 02-11-21, 12:37 PM
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90% on the 34 gear. The 50 downhill or a stout tailwind.
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Old 02-11-21, 08:30 PM
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I guess I am in the minority. I am about 20% on large chainring, 80 on small. I live in hilly western WA and for some reason I have always been comfortable with 90-100 cadence. Works for me as it is better for my wonky back.
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Old 02-11-21, 09:11 PM
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I ride a bike with an internal geared hub, No front ring - nothing to confess,
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Old 02-11-21, 09:26 PM
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I ride a bike with an internal geared hub, No front ring - nothing to confess,
No gear shame?
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I ride 1x, gearing varies depending on whether I've set the bike up for road or gravel (well I live in the UK so when I say gravel I mean mud).

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Old 02-12-21, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul
For me, it's not about how fast I'm riding, or how big a gear I can push. It's about how LONG I'll be riding.
68 years old, two heart attacks, three heart stents, very bad knee. My bike has a power meter, and I wear a HRM. My gear combination is determined by my heart rate (my cardiologist loves that I ride, but gets really mad if I push my heartrate much over 155) and power output (too much too long, and my knee will rebel against me.)
18-20 MPH on the flats isn't a problem. The problem is, there aren't any flats around here!
50/34 crankset with 11-32 cassette, by the way. If I see the route has lots of long, steep climbs, I'll switch out to the 11-34.
I can relate to that except for all your conditions. At 65, doctor loves that I ride and says keep going. I try and not go over 140bpm to often as I consider that 'burning matches' and I figure on a metric century, I only have 6 matches. If I keep it under 140, I can ride more than 3 hours.

It is not flat where I live either. We do have some flats but mainly rolling roads. 50-34 and 11-32. I rarely now venture into the small ring unless there is an extended climb of 1 mile or more. Now, I cannot turn the big ring on one of those hills at 90rpm but I manage to get up them in the 70's.

I would concur that it mainly deals with what type of terrain you are riding on. When I rode in Florida, it was flat as a pancake and folks would probably look at my 11-32 and laugh. If I moved down there, I would probably opt out to 11-28. With the exception of Clermont in Florida, there are no hills. Nothing like the Blue Ridge Parkway down there.

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Old 02-12-21, 04:15 PM
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When I first went compact I had an 11-32 and could do most of my riding in the 50. Swapped out for a 12-27 and now use both rings pretty much.

I've been looking at Sram Force AXS x2 but don't have a clue yet what crank rings or cassette would work for me.

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Old 02-12-21, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rutan74
It is not flat where I live either. We do have some flats but mainly rolling roads. 50-34 and 11-32. I rarely now venture into the small ring unless there is an extended climb of 1 mile or more. Now, I cannot turn the big ring on one of those hills at 90rpm but I manage to get up them in the 70's.

I would concur that it mainly deals with what type of terrain you are riding on. When I rode in Florida, it was flat as a pancake and folks would probably look at my 11-32 and laugh. If I moved down there, I would probably opt out to 11-28. With the exception of Clermont in Florida, there are no hills. Nothing like the Blue Ridge Parkway down there.

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I'm in the Upstate, near Spartanburg!
I was signed up for the Tour de Lowcountry (cancelled due to Covid concerns, of course) and checked the routes on RideWithGPS. I think the biggest "climb" on the metric century was about 0.5 miles long, and peaked out at 3%. I swapped out to an 11-25. I'm hoping this pandemic will be under control by the time Festivelo rolls around, but I'm not signing up until it gets closer. (I still have the corncob, just in case!)
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As one of my fellow club members once stated: "Your big ring is for the first half of your ride. The next ring is for the second half. If you have a triple, you can do three halves of a ride."
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Old 02-15-21, 09:26 AM
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I'm running 54/39 on the front and a 11-25 on the rear, don't copy the Pro's gears, copy the Pro's leg speed.
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul
I'm in the Upstate, near Spartanburg!
I was signed up for the Tour de Lowcountry (cancelled due to Covid concerns, of course) and checked the routes on RideWithGPS. I think the biggest "climb" on the metric century was about 0.5 miles long, and peaked out at 3%. I swapped out to an 11-25. I'm hoping this pandemic will be under control by the time Festivelo rolls around, but I'm not signing up until it gets closer. (I still have the corncob, just in case!)
We are close. I'm over by York. Ridden the Assaults twice. Stopped at Marion the first time due to not feeling well. Second time I made it but that was 5 years ago. No way today. I've summitted Mitchell like 5 times from Marion, but the Assaults is over for me at 65. Did Lake Lure too for like 3 years. That is another beast of a ride. A few years ago, like 5 or so, I did the Pumpkin ride. I think it was called that. Left out near Gaffney. I've done Fletcher Flyer out of Brevard like 5 times. That is a really nice ride and it is not to hilly or at least there are no major climbs like Lure and the Assaults.

Other than that, I don't get over into that area much. Usually just around the York and Gastonia area. I want to move to Florida in 2 years. My climbing days are over. I just want to pull a Jimmy Buffett now.

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Inches and gears are unimportant to me. Keeping a 90 rpm cadence at my current Zone 4 (Threshold) is all that matters, because it's hard, yet comfortable enough for several hours, which is how I ride. If I see the watts go up while the cadence goes down, or the watts go down while the cadence goes up, then I change gears accordingly. 50-34 and 11-32, and I use 'em all.
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50 here. Have a triple crank bike and will never get rid of it. I often used the full range of gears. Lotsa hills where I live.

When I got my bike over a decade ago there was a choice between the triple or compact crank. For a while I was regretting the decision of the triple due to the "coolness" factor. Now I'm soooooooo grateful I picked the triple. In fact, I upgraded the cassette for more low and high range gears and its perfect (11-28 cassette 50/39/30 chainring changed from 12-27 cassette) I love being able to switch the chainring to make large jumps (like coming down a hill and immediately climbing another).

I think the 1X chainring thing is interesting but you will always get more range with more chainrings. Besides, I'm not convinced the 1x approach is a great tradeoff of weight from the bottom bracket to the back wheel. I do like the move to simplicity though.
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Originally Posted by Symox
50 here. Have a triple crank bike and will never get rid of it. I often used the full range of gears. Lotsa hills where I live.

When I got my bike over a decade ago there was a choice between the triple or compact crank. For a while I was regretting the decision of the triple due to the "coolness" factor. Now I'm soooooooo grateful I picked the triple. In fact, I upgraded the cassette for more low and high range gears and its perfect (11-28 cassette 50/39/30 chainring changed from 12-27 cassette) I love being able to switch the chainring to make large jumps (like coming down a hill and immediately climbing another).

I think the 1X chainring thing is interesting but you will always get more range with more chainrings. Besides, I'm not convinced the 1x approach is a great tradeoff of weight from the bottom bracket to the back wheel. I do like the move to simplicity though.
But actually for your current set up that's not true. You have 50-11 at the top end and 30-28 at the bottom, giving you 394% range. All the 1x gravel systems for example would give you more range than that: GRX gives you 418%, Campag Ekar 467% and Rival AXS up to 520%. The limiting factor on range is how much chain slack the mech can take up, whether you utilise that ability with a wide range cassette on the back or more rings on the front doesn't matter in terms of range. The difference is rather about whether you prefer things like dropping between rings to make big gear jumps versus multi-shifting, some smaller gaps between gears, more gear duplication, more or less simplicity. It's all good, ride whatever system suits you, but you're not getting more range for the hills by running your current triple with a narrow cassette compared to a modern 2x or 1x with a wider cassette.

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