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Old 02-19-21, 02:21 PM
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Can they make up their minds about HIIT vs cardio?

https://www.bicycling.com/health-nut...xercise-study/

After six weeks, all participants showed fitness gains, but only the group who rode steady-state for 40 minutes saw a decline in body fat, as well as improved glycemic response to the shake and lower blood pressure.
Like Nike says, just do it and don't worry about which tribe to join. Does nike sell biking shoes?
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Originally Posted by burritos View Post
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Like Nike says, just do it and don't worry about which tribe to join. Does nike sell biking shoes?
I suggest you take your question to where “they” are most likely located: the Bike Forums Training and Nutrition Forum.
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What's better than HIIT or cardio workout?

You do them both. Do HIIT but don't forget your endurance training.
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Old 02-19-21, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
I suggest you take your question to where “they” are most likely located: the Bike Forums Training and Nutrition Forum.
Sorry my bad. Is there a way to do it? Admin?
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Old 02-19-21, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by burritos View Post
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Like Nike says, just do it and don't worry about which tribe to join. Does nike sell biking shoes?
They literally said that this wasn't to be taken as a this vs. that:

The research has prompted enough controversy that Burr tweeted a clarification stating that they are not supporting one type of exercise over the other, which is the conclusion some readers had when the study was published.

“We were afraid that the headlines would be, ‘do this and not that,’ which is not the message we wish to convey,” he said. “All exercise is good. With this study, I’ve seen comments that we, as exercise scientists, keep changing our minds. That’s not true. This study doesn’t take away from the value of HIIT at all. It suggests that we shouldn’t choose one training style exclusively to the detriment of the other.”
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Old 02-19-21, 06:23 PM
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I think HIIT=running away from predators. Cardio=chasing down hunting prey.
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Old 02-19-21, 06:47 PM
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HIIT the Cardio & then go see a doctor for all the sores.

If you just do cardio, your muscle building progress will be slow or very limited. HIIT gave me better development with muscles at a faster rate.
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I have one son that does HIIT and doesn't ride, one that rides and doesn't do HIIT. As long as they are getting exercise who cares. Do we all have to do the same thing?
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Training for any sport will encompass a wide variety of exercise modes. It's not a simple subject. Whole forums have operated for years and never come to a conclusion about anything being the "way to do it." As it is said, experience starts when you begin. I tried HIIT, thought it was silly unless one is really time-pressed. I much prefer endurance combined with long intervals
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
Training for any sport will encompass a wide variety of exercise modes. It's not a simple subject. Whole forums have operated for years and never come to a conclusion about anything being the "way to do it." As it is said, experience starts when you begin. I tried HIIT, thought it was silly unless one is really time-pressed. I much prefer endurance combined with long intervals
I do HIIT sessions and endurance sessions separately but in the same day, just different times. HIIT in the morning, endurance in the afternoon, end of business hours.

HIIT kinda feels good. When your legs starts feeling like its vanishing and you're still trying to push. It's funny, unreal sensation!
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
I do HIIT sessions and endurance sessions separately but in the same day, just different times. HIIT in the morning, endurance in the afternoon, end of business hours.

HIIT kinda feels good. When your legs starts feeling like its vanishing and you're still trying to push. It's funny, unreal sensation!
I always thought of that as the sensation of peeing strength out of the bottoms of my shoes.
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
I always thought of that as the sensation of peeing strength out of the bottoms of my shoes.
That's a slightly different sensation! I am like "where my legs?" and that getting choked feeling. The choking feeling is the most unpleasant sensation.

Overall, it's good, like riding six flags, whatever that is.
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Old 02-21-21, 11:13 PM
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What are your goals?

I get so annoyed at these studies, and in general, the overall direction towards cyclists regarding training.

Want to just lose weight, and have lots of time for long rides, multiple times per week?
Training for criteriums, with huge ramp-ups into the red-zone, and limited time for recovery?
Training for a Brevet?
New to cycling, and have little engine or experience?
Former racer trying to get back into competition once young kids finally can ignore you with their social media accounts?
Still eating trash food but expecting to lose weight?


i think the best advise would be for most beginners....ride as much as you can, and ride in a way that is fun. Moderate diet if necessary.
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Old 02-22-21, 08:58 AM
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i think the best advise would be for most beginners....ride as much as you can, and ride in a way that is fun. Moderate diet if necessary.
Are you trying to put a bunch of exercise physiologists and nutritionists out of work??
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Are you trying to put a bunch of exercise physiologists and nutritionists out of work??
I think there is a need for those professionals' services for athletes at a certain talent level. A CAT 3 racer with proven talent trying to take it to the next level.

However, I think a lot of beginners get burned out, ripped off (coaching and training fees) and generally lose the fun of the sport when out of the gate are on some regimented training program to "maximize" their development, but completely ignoring that this is supposed to be fun. Most beginners do not have the talent to benefit from the cost or mental exhaustion that can occur from a dedicated training program, and will end-up getting dispirited because all they do is regimented training during the week only to get spit out the back of the pack in a CAT 4 race.

I would rather coaches advise beginners to focus on riding lots, ride with fast group rides and people faster than you, and just have fun racking up miles, rather than worrying about their FTP, TSS etc....

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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
They literally said that this wasn't to be taken as a this vs. that:
This is what you get when Science gets filtered through the popular press - controversy where none exists. I guess many people want simple answers to simple questions, so they ask "Which kind of training is best", and don't like it when the response is, "What are you trying to achieve? Where are you now? How much time do you have?" They just want "This one. Do this, and all your dreams will come true!"
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
I think there is a need for those professionals' services for athletes at a certain talent level. A CAT 3 racer with proven talent trying to take it to the next level.

However, I think a lot of beginners get burned out, ripped off (coaching and training fees) and generally lose the fun of the sport when out of the gate are on some regimented training program to "maximize" their development, but completely ignoring that this is supposed to be fun. Most beginners do not have the talent to benefit from the cost or mental exhaustion that can occur from a dedicated training program, and will end-up getting dispirited because all they do is regimented training during the week only to get spit out the back of the pack in a CAT 4 race.

I would rather coaches advise beginners to focus on riding lots, ride with fast group rides and people faster than you, and just have fun racking up miles, rather than worrying about their FTP, TSS etc....
To be fair, I think a lot of people seek out information that doesn't really apply to their current needs, then having waded into training advice for more advanced cyclists, find themselves in a morass of apparently conflicting advice. Plus I think a lot of new riders want an instant cure for being dropped, which as we all know doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
To be fair, I think a lot of people seek out information that doesn't really apply to their current needs, then having waded into training advice for more advanced cyclists, find themselves in a morass of apparently conflicting advice. Plus I think a lot of new riders want an instant cure for being dropped, which as we all know doesn't exist.
Agreed,
a lot of it is over-eager beginners thinking they can CAT up to level 2 in a single summer, and unless extremely gifted physiologically, it is going to require likely more than they honestly can either time-wise, or mentally to get there. Part of the issue (IMHO), is many beginners who are not juniors, are middle aged people who, after college and a few years in an office, are looking for something to rekindle the excitement of competition, and also to get in shape.

At that point, you are likely beginning with NO base, likely limited talent, and limited time. I just wish coaches out there would be more directing these types not to regimented coaching and training, and more offer say, at most, $100 to plan out a year of just riding, routes to challenge themselves, and maybe even a few "test" rides in which they can measure their progression. But the entire point of the next few years should be not about mentally thinking about competing, but mentally trying to find as many routes and ride types to enjoy riding.
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To be fair,

this study is basically not for really anyone interested in "training". This is more for people interested in losing a few pounds (which is fine), but the entire focus of the study is on metrics that for anyone seriously training for bike racing or triathlons, these metrics are merely outcomes from training, not the goal.
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I do HIIT work to increase my power so I can do lower intensity days at a higher power and burn even more calories as I'm still a fatty.

I can increase my W/kg by putting out more power, losing weight, or both. Por que no los dos?
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Cardio for recovery and endurance, HIIT because it is trendy and sounds better than Interval training. I ride my bike till it hurts and then lift the pace 5kph and keep going till the darkness descends, which is more difficult in the summer
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I ride my bike till it hurts and then lift the pace 5kph
What if you're going uphill?

What if you're going downhill?
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