Helping after seeing a car crash
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Helping after seeing a car crash
Wondering what you all would do in this case. Monday while biking home after work, I was in witness of a major accident (bad enough that one of the drivers had to be taken out on a stretcher)
But my question is this, right after the accident 2 US marines and I were the first there (well first that stopped to help if needed) Well the marines start to take control till the police come by, and I am told to help them direct traffic (so I compile, I must have looked stupid standing there in my bike shorts, jersey, and my helmet on) well at one point as a bus (school bus) as she drives by gets pissed that I am not a police officer directing traffic.
So what would you guys all do in such a situation. Would you have directed traffic.
I don't believe I did anything wrong as when the police came by he thanked me for helping.
But my question is this, right after the accident 2 US marines and I were the first there (well first that stopped to help if needed) Well the marines start to take control till the police come by, and I am told to help them direct traffic (so I compile, I must have looked stupid standing there in my bike shorts, jersey, and my helmet on) well at one point as a bus (school bus) as she drives by gets pissed that I am not a police officer directing traffic.
So what would you guys all do in such a situation. Would you have directed traffic.
I don't believe I did anything wrong as when the police came by he thanked me for helping.
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You always stop and help when people need it. It's always the right thing to do. If it were you that needed the help, you would have wanted someone to do exactly what you did.
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I would help, until police fire, etc get there and then give my statement and get out of the way.
I did this just yesterday (i was driving)..... fortunately despite a person running a red light and hitting another car, no one took an ambulance ride.
The cops said thanks......
A couple of things to remember, keep yourself safe first, unless the cars are burning etc, best to not move any body .....people who are amped on adrenilin and in shock may think they are not hurt.....
you did good
I did this just yesterday (i was driving)..... fortunately despite a person running a red light and hitting another car, no one took an ambulance ride.
The cops said thanks......
A couple of things to remember, keep yourself safe first, unless the cars are burning etc, best to not move any body .....people who are amped on adrenilin and in shock may think they are not hurt.....
you did good
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I am not asking if stopping to help (that is a giving you should stop), but asking should I have done the helping on directing traffic, but not sure if I would have been any help if I did not do that.
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As long as you are comfortable directing traffic, then yes that's what you should have done in this case. Good job.
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as a person with both first aid and some modest traffic directing experience, yes, I would not have had any issues helping. I do understand the implications of directing traffic while not wearing full traffic direction get up- you just don't look offficial. I was on site first aid at the end of a big construction job and way towards the end I was just spending a lot of time "spotting" man lifts hangin out with "flag girls" so I would cover for them on pee breaks or helping move the lifts etc. its kind of a wierd feeling just walking out into traffic and putting your hand up to make people stop. (especially when you arn't even bothering to wear a hard hat or reflectors as would be y;our case
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attitude of random school bus driver<act of stepping forward to help strangers in crisis
Good on you.
Good on you.
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There is nothing as creepy as an accident scene before emergency response arrives. You just do what you can. Of course your experience highlights the absurdity of the human condition. One person's serious accident is viewed as a mere inconvenience to others.
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I probably would have taken the helmet off, but other than that you do what you have to do. FWIW I almost always have a highway worker type reflective vest with me, even when riding a bike. Throwing one of those on is a definite plus and will help. As far as the bus driver with a pissy attitude? I would report her to district she drives for.
You did what needed to be done. My biggest concern around accidents is that the damned drivers are paying too much attention to what happened rather than what they need to be doing to get past it safely.
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You did what needed to be done. My biggest concern around accidents is that the damned drivers are paying too much attention to what happened rather than what they need to be doing to get past it safely.
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"... 'but a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was; and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, and went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. ... Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbor to him tht fell among the thieves?' And he said, 'He that shewed mercy on him." Then said Jesus unto him, 'Go, and do thou likewise.'"
At any rate, you done good, and that's never bad.
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I think you did fine. Even if you had emergency medical training, job one is minimizing risk of more damage. Traffic control is part of it. Mental health intervention for the school bus driver would be far down on the priority list.
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you done good.
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Always chose to be a force for good, you did us proud.
FWIW A come back I have been thinking about "If this is what you have to complain about you must live a blessed life."
FWIW A come back I have been thinking about "If this is what you have to complain about you must live a blessed life."
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Sometimes I think it's easier, as a cyclist rather than a driver, to get involved in such a situation. Being in a car passing by a major accident it doesn't help to stop, pull over etc if the simple fact of your car being in the way may will make it more difficult for emergency personnel to get to the vehicles and people involved. But the bike can be quickly stashed out of the way and the cyclist can provide some assistance.
Last year around this time of year there was a major crash on Storrow Drive, which runs right along the bike path I ride on, it happened only moments before I pulled up- in fact, I watched it happen from a distance. No one was taking charge so I did. There were children in one of the cars and the adults had been rendered unconscious and/or injured but the kids were shaken up but okay. We got them out of the overturned car and away from further danger and a couple of women immediately tended to them and got them settled. It's often not good to move people that look twisted or in precarious positions unless there is a danger of fire but it's worth it to make sure nothing is obstructing their breathing or, as in this case, if the car is turned upside down to make sure they are not being strangled by a seat belt or even their own clothing. With some direction people were more than willing to make sure those people still in the cars were breathing/able to breathe and if conscious, someone to reassure them that help was on the way. Because there was some leaking gas we sent one person along the line of cars for a fire extinguisher, which I was surprised was quickly made available from someone in a work van, another person was directed to put sand on the fuel, which they scraped up from the side of the road. All of this happened remarkably fast once people started to get in motion.
By then it was obvious traffic on both sides of Storrow had basically come to a standstill as people watched and no emergency vehicle would be able to get through. I was still wearing my yellow bike helmet and reflective vest so it made perfect sense for me to direct traffic and get things moving. Within minutes of my doing so emergency vehicles were on the scene. At that point I cleared the area, got to my bike and got out of there to leave the rest to the professionals without me being in the way.
I can't imagine not lending some assistance as long as I wasn't in the way.
Basically, my long winded way of saying I definitely think you did the right thing.
Last year around this time of year there was a major crash on Storrow Drive, which runs right along the bike path I ride on, it happened only moments before I pulled up- in fact, I watched it happen from a distance. No one was taking charge so I did. There were children in one of the cars and the adults had been rendered unconscious and/or injured but the kids were shaken up but okay. We got them out of the overturned car and away from further danger and a couple of women immediately tended to them and got them settled. It's often not good to move people that look twisted or in precarious positions unless there is a danger of fire but it's worth it to make sure nothing is obstructing their breathing or, as in this case, if the car is turned upside down to make sure they are not being strangled by a seat belt or even their own clothing. With some direction people were more than willing to make sure those people still in the cars were breathing/able to breathe and if conscious, someone to reassure them that help was on the way. Because there was some leaking gas we sent one person along the line of cars for a fire extinguisher, which I was surprised was quickly made available from someone in a work van, another person was directed to put sand on the fuel, which they scraped up from the side of the road. All of this happened remarkably fast once people started to get in motion.
By then it was obvious traffic on both sides of Storrow had basically come to a standstill as people watched and no emergency vehicle would be able to get through. I was still wearing my yellow bike helmet and reflective vest so it made perfect sense for me to direct traffic and get things moving. Within minutes of my doing so emergency vehicles were on the scene. At that point I cleared the area, got to my bike and got out of there to leave the rest to the professionals without me being in the way.
I can't imagine not lending some assistance as long as I wasn't in the way.
Basically, my long winded way of saying I definitely think you did the right thing.
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I've done the exact same thing at an accident scene, so how could I do anything BUT commend you for it? You did the right thing.
People like that stupid-a** bus driver need the grow up and realize that someone doesn't HAVE to be an authority figure to tell them to do the right thing.
People like that stupid-a** bus driver need the grow up and realize that someone doesn't HAVE to be an authority figure to tell them to do the right thing.
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Maybe a note to the school district mentioning time, place, and comment by the driver would be appropriate.
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OP did the right thing, it's sometimes easy to fall into second-guessing yourself like this but you shouldn't. It's a universal constant that people wish the world was a better place... well, what you did was help make it one.
I would have done whatever I was qualified to do for as long as I was capable. I'm kinda biased on this though since it's not just a strong recommendation for me but an order straight from the top.
So what would you guys all do in such a situation. Would you have directed traffic.
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A well-known curmudgeonly talk show host in Boston has an adage, "No good deed goes unpunished." I don't subscribe to this philosophy, and I have helped motorists (and cyclists) in distress, but wouldn't it be a bummer if some creep stole your bicycle during the chaos of an accident scene? I'm just sayin' be careful out there.
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But my question is this, right after the accident 2 US marines and I were the first there (well first that stopped to help if needed) Well the marines start to take control till the police come by, and I am told to help them direct traffic (so I compile, I must have looked stupid standing there in my bike shorts, jersey, and my helmet on) well at one point as a bus (school bus) as she drives by gets pissed that I am not a police officer directing traffic.
You did the right thing and I'm sure had the bus driver known the situation they would not have complained.
I would have done the same.
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In CA there is one case where a good samaritan was successfully sued in court by a party involved in the accident so it would be wise to be careful of one's actions in such a situation.