Does Shimano think I'm old?....
10-16-09, 04:47 AM
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Does Shimano think I'm old?....
Shimano must think I'm ancient. I know they think my 3-yr old bike is! Recently has a FD 4403 front der. break on my LeMond. Well, it's no longer available! And Shimano's replacement (4503) requires you change the middle cog, as it isn't supposed to work with the larger inner cog that the 4403 works with. Oh, and one other item--Lemond comes with Bontrager cranks-which are closer to the largest cog than a Shimano crank--the 4503 wants to rub. So there ya go-guess my bike must not deserve to be fixed without completely going Shimano if something breaks on it!--gotta love the "big S"--they'll figure out a way to make you use their parts if it breaks ya! Oh, and I did get the 4503 to function as good as it will (with the help of one of our local shops mechanic)-and a 4403 is on the way-managed to scrape one up with a lot of searching-don't figure will find more in the future-hope it lasts! I never thought of 59 as old-apparently 3 years must be obsolete to S.
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tell your LBS you want NOS or used part for a replacement?
and i definitely agree about the obsolescence issue - it's enough to make one go back to using beach cruisers
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and i definitely agree about the obsolescence issue - it's enough to make one go back to using beach cruisers
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Ever heard of "Planned Obsolescence"?
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10-16-09, 07:26 AM
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10-16-09, 09:48 AM
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Heh.
I just go with the old Suntour stuff I get at swap meets. Obsolete. But plentiful. And fully serviceable 20 or 30 years on.
I just go with the old Suntour stuff I get at swap meets. Obsolete. But plentiful. And fully serviceable 20 or 30 years on.
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I don't even know what a FD4403 front der is! It certainly isn't Dura Ace which is the only Shimano part you should have on your bike. Get with the program! 
In the interest of full disclosure, I have been seen with an Ulterga SL crank on one or two of my bikes.
In the interest of full disclosure, I have been seen with an Ulterga SL crank on one or two of my bikes.
10-16-09, 01:19 PM
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I think I saw a 20 year old Peugeot in the background on one of the walls of King Tut's tomb. 
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10-16-09, 01:35 PM
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You want to change your LBS. Mine has stock of 20 year old Groupsets still in the original boxes- but I think they have raised the prices a bit in the meantime.
My 9 year old Bianchi Grizzly needed a new front derailler last year. Simon- the owner- just went to the cupboard and there was a 1990 Acera FD all new and shiny in its box. But Acera is Cr*p so why don't I upgrade? I just told him that if the Cr*p FD had lasted 9 years- then by the time this one wears out- I might be up for a new bike.
It might take an upgrade- but whether its is Shimano- or Campag- there will be a current FD that would replace yours Perfectly. Just takes a Geek like Simon or his mechanic to know the spec sheets inside out off the top of their heads.
My 9 year old Bianchi Grizzly needed a new front derailler last year. Simon- the owner- just went to the cupboard and there was a 1990 Acera FD all new and shiny in its box. But Acera is Cr*p so why don't I upgrade? I just told him that if the Cr*p FD had lasted 9 years- then by the time this one wears out- I might be up for a new bike.
It might take an upgrade- but whether its is Shimano- or Campag- there will be a current FD that would replace yours Perfectly. Just takes a Geek like Simon or his mechanic to know the spec sheets inside out off the top of their heads.
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And I've been riding the hell out of the SLT, too.
Have another Cyclone and a Cyclone MkII rear der in the parts bin just in case...
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Yep, what stapfam said. The front der. is the dumbest part of the groupset. It doesn't care what shifter it's mated with as long as it has the clearance for the crankset you're using.
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This is why I just despise Shimano. But having said that, I use Shimano Ultegra SPD road pedals (the originals that are no longer made). I've got a good stock of cleat pontoons (the only part that breaks), and I've got a couple of extra pedals. I like the original road SPDs because the cleat is completely compatible with the mtb SPD pedals. Shimano tried to tell you that they were incompatible, but it was obvious that everything worked, so Shimano changed the design of the road SPDs. Twice! So now you're stuck with the Lance Armstrong SPD-R pedals, which are just different enough from Look pedals to not be compatible! Which is why I refuse to switch to them. Shimano is just a bunch of corporate jerks trying to lock you in. And Campagnolo stuff (except for those SPD pedals) works way better and is far more reliable anyway.
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10-17-09, 06:09 AM
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The road and mtd SPD pedals are just different enough that they work well one way, road cleats on mtb pedals but not the other, mtb cleats on road pedals. When I tried my mtd cleats on a road bike I had a hard time clipping/unclipping whereas my partner that day had no problem at all when we switched bikes (I put my mtb SPDs on my road bike so she could give it a try as she was looking to buy a new roadie. I convinced her with that ride to go carbon.) I didn't think I'd even be able to clip in and once in it was a good thing I was on a closed car free park loop where you never have to stop.
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I have been avoiding the compatibility issues by staying with old school friction shifting on my road-going bikes. My Sugino triple on the Bridgestone is shifted by an old Dura Ace double front derailleur which is controlled by a Suntour bar end shifter. Works fine.
I have been more concerned with finding older FD's because they are wide enough to handle the wider 7/8 speed chains I use.
I will eventually have to deal with the compatibility issues when I get a modern road bike, but for now I am enjoying the freedom of my fuddy duddy ways.
"and they wrote it all down as the progress of man"
I have been more concerned with finding older FD's because they are wide enough to handle the wider 7/8 speed chains I use.
I will eventually have to deal with the compatibility issues when I get a modern road bike, but for now I am enjoying the freedom of my fuddy duddy ways.
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I'll cast another emphatic vote in favor of friction shift and old school components, which I can upgrade and mix-and-match pretty much as desired or needed. Shimano is famous for rapid obsolescence, and the next-generation equipment is only sometimes an improvement over the previous, incompatible model.
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Ditto on SHimano
HI,
I had a we bit of trouble ordering a spoke for a shimano rear wheel it seems they were out
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it took 4 weeks for the replacement to be back in stock,
they have 3 different types of spokes on one wheel set.
Geeze.
Doug
I had a we bit of trouble ordering a spoke for a shimano rear wheel it seems they were out
.it took 4 weeks for the replacement to be back in stock,
they have 3 different types of spokes on one wheel set.
Geeze.
Doug
10-17-09, 07:34 PM
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This new stuff "expires" too quickly and is not meant to be repaired. Phooey
I've got shorts older than that Shimano problem.
10-17-09, 07:50 PM
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My Dura Axce STI shifters died after only 10,500 miles. No parts and new ones co$t way to much. Switched out to barcons, Happy . . . shifts just as well and extra $ in the wallet!
Planned obsolescence is what put the big 3 car outfits in the hole. At least Campy is rpairable.
Planned obsolescence is what put the big 3 car outfits in the hole. At least Campy is rpairable.