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Old 11-19-19, 11:19 AM
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OK next example from my list comes from South Park


This one is kind of cheating, because purely as audio, it could be just a stupid song with advice for making movies with climactic fight scenes.

But together with the video, I say it is self-referential; it is commenting on the video in a way that is more fourth-wall-breaking way than, say, a song in a musical about being in love, showing two people who are in love.
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Old 11-19-19, 11:22 AM
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lol searching this up I realized Trey&Matt reused this same exact song, I don't know if Team America or South Park Season 6 came first

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Aha! The ending is "Always fade out in a montage; it seems like more time has passed if you fade out at the end of a montage"

In Team America, the video does not fade out, I believe the correct term is 'dissolve'. So the lyric must be referring to how the song itself is fading out in audio volume.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
"Look what they've done to my song, Ma
Look what they've done to my song
Well it's the only thing I could do half right
And it's turning out all wrong, Ma
Look what they've done to my song..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrM2fxnkxjA

^I think I finally came up with one that fits. Here's a 'bonus' track that does not fit. This hippie chick can really sing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlp3wmE4bbI
Yes, I think she's got a bit of an image problem. When I was 15 and into 70's hard rock and Hendrix I borrowed a lot of records from the neighbours who had lived the 60's. They were really surprised I liked Melanie, and I was surprised they were so apologetic about it.
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Old 11-19-19, 03:08 PM
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nice find

This would have been a good choice for the torture song in that recent season of Walking Dead
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
ps I can't stand David Bowie, and I also can't stand Prince, for the same musical quality they share that I can't put my finger on. (It's not the androgyny)
Agree, WRT David Bowie, at least. Don't know why, but hearing his stuff always reminds me of an early Bruce Springsteen review that I once read in Rolling Stone magazine. The reviewer paraphrased the then-current TV commercials for K-Tel Records (cheap albums containing hit songs covered by anonymous studio musicians), describing Springsteen's first album as "Not Rock and Roll, but an incredible simulation!"
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Old 11-20-19, 09:15 AM
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"This song is called Alice's Restaurant..."


25 minutes later...

"...I've been singing this song for 25 minutes..."
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
25 minutes later...
"...I've been singing this song for 25 minutes..."
thanks for the CliffsNotes on that one. awful song, and i'm dreading the upcoming barrage of it being played ad nauseam on the radio.
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
My next entry off my list is a deep cut from TMBG's first (self-titled/'pink') album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXZBA6tJPA

There's only two songs in me and I just wrote the third
Don't know where I got the inspiration or how I wrote the words
Spent my whole life just digging up my music's shallow grave
For the two songs in me and the third one I just made

(i.e. this one)
Dang it! I came here to post that song.

Adding to the brilliance is that it is in fact the third track they ever released on an album.
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Old 11-20-19, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
All You're Getting for Christmas is This Stupid Song
On the money, but couldn't you have at least waited until after Thanksgiving?
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
Agree, WRT David Bowie, at least. Don't know why, but hearing his stuff always reminds me of an early Bruce Springsteen review that I once read in Rolling Stone magazine. The reviewer paraphrased the then-current TV commercials for K-Tel Records (cheap albums containing hit songs covered by anonymous studio musicians), describing Springsteen's first album as "Not Rock and Roll, but an incredible simulation!"
That's clever.

I also have never been impressed with Springsteen (haven't heard much). Not the mild distaste I get for Bowie and Prince, but a rather intense 'meh -- what is everybody else so excited about?'
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
Dang it! I came here to post that song.
Hey, since I reserved the right to claim 'credit' if any of y'all post something on my list, it's only fair if I allow you credit as well!

Adding to the brilliance is that it is in fact the third track they ever released on an album.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
"This song is called Alice's Restaurant..."

25 minutes later...

"...I've been singing this song for 25 minutes..."
OK, that's debatable. I wouldn't say those first words 'This song is called Alice's Restaurant' are part of the song, it's pretty common in live recordings to give a spoken introduction to a song while the music has begun.

I'd guess that "I've been singing this song" 25 minutes later (must actually be less than that because the utub is only 18min) is similarly not part of the song, but an interjection/aside.

But I'm not gonna go check
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OK here's the next on my list (that list is almost done)


I'm not 100% sure it qualifies, but the discussion about whether it does is a lot of the reason why I wanted to do this post in the first place.

I'm not a fan of pop music (I am subjected to way too much of it in the car with the fam), but this song has such a great hook, and she's got a great voice! Looking the song up, I had never heard her name before, and had no idea she also played the piano.

Anyways,

I'm not gonna write you a love song
'cause you asked for it
'cause you need one,
you see I'm not gonna write you a love song
'cause you tell me it's make or break in this
If you're on your way
I'm not gonna write you to stay
If all you have is leaving
I'ma need a better reason to write you a love song today, today
So is this that love song? Is she writing it, but for different reasons than the subject wants? The immediacy of the end of the chorus "today, today" seem to bolster self-reference.

The top-listed comment (currently) on the utub is "love song... a song about not writing a love song. it was a big middle finger to her producers who wanted her to write a love song...if im not mistaken"

Actually though, I don't think it's a love song. And I think the song is kind of similar to "You're so vain, you probably thought this song was about you", maybe "you're so vain, you expected me to write you a love song"
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Here's another Tull song that's self-referential:
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"Go upstairs, take off your makeup
Fold your clothes neatly away.
Me, I'll sit and write this love song
As I all too seldom do
Build a little fire this midnight.
It's good to be back home with you."

And, John Hartford,
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"Maybe I should give you
Some of the royalties to this song,
'Cause you sure did inspire me to write it."
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
OK, that's debatable. I wouldn't say those first words 'This song is called Alice's Restaurant' are part of the song, it's pretty common in live recordings to give a spoken introduction to a song while the music has begun.

I'd guess that "I've been singing this song" 25 minutes later (must actually be less than that because the utub is only 18min) is similarly not part of the song, but an interjection/aside.

But I'm not gonna go check
I do believe the song itself makes an appearance in the story because he gets his accomplices in the protest to start singing it. But it's been a while since I've listened, as well.

Ah yes, here's the text: https://genius.com/Arlo-guthrie-alic...ssacree-lyrics
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
On the money, but couldn't you have at least waited until after Thanksgiving?
If stores can put xmas junk out for sale in early September, and radio stations start playing xmas songs before halloween, I'm not seeing the issue with posting this a week before Thanksgiving.
And to keep in the spirit of things:

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If stores can put xmas junk out for sale in early September, and radio stations start playing xmas songs before halloween, I'm not seeing the issue with posting this a week before Thanksgiving.
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Originally Posted by Chinghis View Post
Here's another Tull song that's self-referential: Fires at Midnight:

"Go upstairs, take off your makeup
Fold your clothes neatly away.
Me, I'll sit and write this love song
As I all too seldom do
Build a little fire this midnight.
It's good to be back home with you."

And, John Hartford, trying to do something to get your attention.

"Maybe I should give you
Some of the royalties to this song,
'Cause you sure did inspire me to write it."
Nice; that last one reminds me of how Adele's ex-boyfriend sued her for a share of the profits from the sad songs he 'inspired'. Sounds like a context ripe for producing a nice juicy self-referential song
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