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Old 10-01-20, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Sure, it's referred to differently. (It's also missing a finger bone: the thumb has two finger bones; the others have 3.)

It's also seems sure that it should matter in this conversation. It's odd people are talking about it. No one should be confused.
It's also odd because there are 4 OTHER fingers/hand. If there were 5 other fingers, it would be even.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
It's common to say that the hand has five fingers. It would be quite odd if you didn't know that or were confused by it.


No doubt, some people use two fingers. (I'm not recommending one or the other.)
Britannica does not agree.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Sure, it's referred to differently. (It's also missing a finger bone: the thumb has two finger bones; the others have 3.)

It's also seems sure that it should matter in this conversation. It's odd people are talking about it. No one should be confused.
It's not missing, really. I can show you where it is, if you don't believe me.
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Originally Posted by cxwrench
Britannica does not agree.
If you think Britannica contains all knowledge, you have other problems.

It also doesn't say the thumb isn't often included with the other digits when talking about fingers.
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Interestingly, or maybe not interestingly at all, Grammarly has an opinion on this:
  • A thumb is a digit, but not technically a finger.
  • Many people don’t make the distinction between thumbs and other digits.
As with most usage, at a certain point the fact that "Many people don’t make the distinction" means there isn't a distinction, but it seems this is of such minor consequence that it's not worth conducting a poll to see if there's a majority yet.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
It's not missing, really. I can show you where it is, if you don't believe me.
(It wouldn't surprise me that funny stuff happens in development.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279362/

Each finger has three individual bones, and the thumb only has two.
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Interestingly, or maybe not interestingly at all, Grammarly has an opinion on this:
  • A thumb is a digit, but not technically a finger.
  • Many people don’t make the distinction between thumbs and other digits.
As with most usage, at a certain point the fact that "Many people don’t make the distinction" means there isn't a distinction, but it seems this is of such minor consequence that it's not worth conducting a poll to see if there's a majority yet.
Prescriptivism versus descriptivism.

It seems they prefer the more "technical" different but realize that the other is used too.

In early development, they are much more equivalent.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker
(It wouldn't surprise me that funny stuff happens in development.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279362/
It happened long before that, apparently:
Our earliest known ancestor is the fish Rhipidistia (2), which has been extinct for 230 million years. Its pectoral fin is the precursor of our hand, which has 4 fingers, each with 3 phalanges, and a thumb with only 2 phalanges.
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Originally Posted by HD3andMe
Aaaaaand...we're back to quality brakes.
Like I said, you'll have to talk to Tullio et al. about the quality of their products.
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Originally Posted by HD3andMe
You have finer control when your braking fingers aren't bouncing around because you have a less stable grip on the bar.
Blah blah blah blah. You may very well be the very first person on my ignore list here...that's saying something.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
It happened long before that, apparently:
Our earliest known ancestor is the fish Rhipidistia (2), which has been extinct for 230 million years. Its pectoral fin is the precursor of our hand, which has 4 fingers, each with 3 phalanges, and a thumb with only 2 phalanges.
The best thread drift ever.

Certainly, the position of the growth center, or epiphysis, at the base of the metacarpal matches the position of the epiphysis of all the phalanges. By contrast, the growth center for all finger metacarpals is at their head, while none is present in the thumb metacarpal head.
The metacarpal bone in the thumb is like the proximal phalanges of the fingers.

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The best thread drift ever.
Sometimes, argument can yield both heat AND light.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
It happened long before that, apparently:
Our earliest known ancestor is the fish Rhipidistia (2), which has been extinct for 230 million years. Its pectoral fin is the precursor of our hand, which has 4 fingers, each with 3 phalanges, and a thumb with only 2 phalanges.
The metacarpal bone in the thumb is more like the proximal phalanges of the fingers than it is like the other metacarpal bones.

Certainly, the position of the growth center, or epiphysis, at the base of the metacarpal matches the position of the epiphysis of all the phalanges. By contrast, the growth center for all finger metacarpals is at their head, while none is present in the thumb metacarpal head.
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Originally Posted by HD3andMe
You have finer control when your braking fingers aren't bouncing around because you have a less stable grip on the bar.
Or one could ride where one needn't keep a deathgrip on the bar. That works, too.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
The metacarpal bone in the thumb is more like the proximal phalanges of the fingers than it is like the other metacarpal bones.
So - is it still a finger?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
So - is it still a finger?
Why isn't the big toe a "fhumb"? (The big toe has the same 2 phalanges deal.)

https://teachmeanatomy.info/lower-li...and-phalanges/
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I've never been on a ride where a deathgrip is needed. Maintaining a solid grip, but not a death grip, is basic stuff.
For which one may not require more than thumb and two fingers, depending on the surface and how feeble your ring and little fingers are.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Why isn't the big toe a "fhumb"? (The big toe has the same 2 phalanges deal.)

https://teachmeanatomy.info/lower-li...and-phalanges/
Fhumb? As in "Fee, Fie, Foe..."?
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Originally Posted by njkayaker
Why isn't the big toe a "fhumb"? (The big toe has the same 2 phalanges deal.)

https://teachmeanatomy.info/lower-li...and-phalanges/
Also, don't ask me. I didn't invent the language.
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Just the facts. Apparently the truth troubles you.

Hey Senor Pedant, if you need to hide behind the ignore list because my posts make you uncomfortable, I hope that you can find someone to help you figure out how to use it. I bet you'll feel much better about yourself. Best of luck!
Your version of the truth. Apparently after reading many other posts there is more than one...none of which is absolute.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
It happened long before that, apparently:
Our earliest known ancestor is the fish Rhipidistia (2), which has been extinct for 230 million years. Its pectoral fin is the precursor of our hand, which has 4 fingers, each with 3 phalanges, and a thumb with only 2 phalanges.
Now we know the origin of that famous quote:

"A woman needs a man like a 230 million year-old fish needs a bicycle."
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Now we know the origin of that famous quote:

"A woman needs a man like a 230 million year-old fish needs a bicycle."
But at least it could grip the bar.
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Originally Posted by cxwrench
Please don't call them "brifters", that just sounds stupid. Really.
Okay. We'll call them "Shakes".
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Okay. We'll call them "Shakes".






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I've never been on a ride where a deathgrip is needed. Maintaining a solid grip, but not a death grip, is basic stuff.
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Whenever you ride any bike always brake with both hands all the time every time. You will have no problems. This is just common sense. To use only one brake accomplishes nothing. The one brake idea came from misguided Harley Davidson riders who like to do everything differently.
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