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Addiction LXXVI

Old 11-07-19, 02:45 PM
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If you've got good mechanics, running is actually pretty benign to the knees. I didn't have any problems over a 35 yr career. I had plenty of tendon and muscle issues, though.

Oh, and it also destroyed my spine, I went numb and tingly from the neck down, and had to have big surgery, which is why I don't do it anymore, but that's a minor thing.
It was my low back that forced me to quit. The knees just made sure it stuck
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Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
Makes one wonder how much of that benefit cycling can achieve.
I would imagine that it would be similar, as long as there's some amount of intensity (it's really easy to loaf it on the bike, not so much when running, for me, at least).

...well, and this is without factoring in the whole getting killed by a driver because you made his/her drive 15 seconds longer thing.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I would imagine that it would be similar, as long as there's some amount of intensity (it's really easy to loaf it on the bike, not so much when running, for me, at least).

...well, and this is without factoring in the whole getting killed by a driver because you made his/her drive 15 seconds longer thing.
Agree.
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Running is dumb except for basketball. Basketball running is fun.
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Meant in the nicest way possible, there's some old people in Addiction.
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If you've got good mechanics, running is actually pretty benign to the knees. I didn't have any problems over a 35 yr career. I had plenty of tendon and muscle issues, though.

Oh, and it also destroyed my spine, I went numb and tingly from the neck down, and had to have big surgery, which is why I don't do it anymore, but that's a minor thing.
Same, ran track and cross country in high-school, kept on running and by my mid 20s couldn't walk without a noticeable shuffle and could only go up stairs a 1/2 step at a time. Picked up biking to stay active, but only been "serious" the last 5 years.

Good news is that the back somehow healed itself, slowly over a 5-15 year period without surgery. At one point I tried to break it good by playing 2 hours of fairly intense full court basketball every Saturday - somehow that seemed to be when it started to get better.
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Good news is that the back somehow healed itself, slowly over a 5-15 year period without surgery. At one point I tried to break it good by playing 2 hours of fairly intense full court basketball every Saturday - somehow that seemed to be when it started to get better.
My mom's two back surgeries in Chicago were the end of her living there by herself. Now she's "independently living" at senior living a few miles away so I can keep an eye on her.
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Meant in the nicest way possible, there's some old people in Addiction.
Where we gonna go, 50+ and worry about our hearts asploding? At least some of us still ride hard.
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Old 11-07-19, 03:42 PM
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Where we gonna go, 50+ and worry about our hearts asploding? At least some of us still ride hard. GET OFF MY LAWN!!
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Addiction is all about class.
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Where we gonna go, 50+ and worry about our hearts asploding? At least some of us still ride hard.
Kudos to you who still can. I sometimes forget about my heart asploding, until I ride just a little bit too hard.
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Old 11-07-19, 03:58 PM
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One has to wonder whether the staff on duty were really the staff.
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Originally Posted by SwtBadger View Post
Same, ran track and cross country in high-school, kept on running and by my mid 20s couldn't walk without a noticeable shuffle and could only go up stairs a 1/2 step at a time. Picked up biking to stay active, but only been "serious" the last 5 years.

Good news is that the back somehow healed itself, slowly over a 5-15 year period without surgery. At one point I tried to break it good by playing 2 hours of fairly intense full court basketball every Saturday - somehow that seemed to be when it started to get better.
That’s an amazing story with a great outcome!

I was 54 and looking forward to aging up in the local races, when I started getting electrical shock sensations in my arms when I jumped or went up stairs. Being a neurologist, I knew exactly what that was and the MRI showed my canal down to about 4 mm at one level. Sailing season just ended and I stupidly started training again and eventually dinged my cord, went numb, etc. I bought myself a C6-7 fusion and prosthetic discs above and below, a real deluxe job that conventional opinion considered too aggressive for someone so OLD and the discs were only FDA approved for single levels, so it was an off-label use.

However, I was fortunate enough to to end up at Walter Reed with the guy who was handling all the spine cases from OEF/OIF and was used to dealing with fit, strong, people and had the balls to be aggressive instead of fusing everything and leaving my neck immobile, which the guy at the Bethesda Naval Hospital offered to do. Thats also what likely would have happened in the private sector, even though two neurosurgeons I know said that’s what they would want if they needed 3-level surgery and one of them said their partner had actually gone to Europe and paid cash. Military medicine can really suck, but there are pockets of real quality. The guy has since gotten out and gone to George Washington.

Anyway, it’s been great and those two steel joint are the only reason I can still ride a 4” seat-bars drop and look up well enough to to trim the mainsail in a race. My hands and feet still tingle and the hardware sticks into my esophagus and makes it hard to swallow some things, but I’m very happy.
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Kudos to you who still can. I sometimes forget about my heart asploding, until I ride just a little bit too hard.
You’d be dead by now if you weren’t composed mainly of rawhide and spring steel.
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Niiiiice.
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We got our flu shots yesterday. First year in the arm for my kid. He cried. As is the practice, he gets the meal of his choice post flu shot. Hummus, pita, and falafel from Ali Baba.
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We got our flu shots yesterday. First year in the arm for my kid. He cried. As is the practice, he gets the meal of his choice post flu shot. Hummus, pita, and falafel from Ali Baba.
Is Ali Baba like NafNaf?? https://nafnafgrill.com/
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Meant in the nicest way possible, there's some old people in Addiction.
@ageist.
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No prep needed when you have an awesome shovel like me.

I love the smell of awesome shovels in the morning.
Wait, the awesome shovel is like you. How droll.
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Meant in the nicest way possible, there's some old people in Addiction.
For now at least.
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Where we gonna go, 50+ and worry about our hearts asploding? At least some of us still ride hard.
I, for one, do not post in 50+.
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Yes. But as per @datlas, how to get out?
It will just happen. Get old.
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My spidey sense is tingling. Could be a false alarm, but lots of instability in the real world and markets are probably over-inflated.

Again, if I were Warren Buffet I would not be treating diabetes and high blood pressure and trying to convince my patients to get age-appropriate screenings.
This is no time for trying to grow wealth via equities.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
That’s an amazing story with a great outcome!
MRI showed my canal down to about 4 mm at one level. Sailing season just ended and I stupidly started training again and eventually dinged my cord, went numb, etc. I bought myself a C6-7 fusion and prosthetic discs above and below, a real deluxe job that conventional opinion considered too aggressive for someone so OLD and the discs were only FDA approved for single levels, so it was an off-label use.
Seems like yours is the amazing story, but am certainly pleased with how it worked out. By the way, when I was going through this, I had the impression that the DRs didn't want to operate on me as I was too YOUNG at the time. Like you I still have tingling at times, but with Motrin and some recognition it goes away - at least for now.
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No, I am NOT making any changes. I am ready to ride out another full cycle. My advice is really towards those 65+.

Sad story: my aunt, who is now around 80, lost about HALF of her investment value in the crash 10 years ago. She could not accept any more risk and got out at the bottom of the market. If she had stayed in, she would have been on easy street.

Buy low, sell high. It's kinda high now, so reasonable to sell if you are over-leveraged and older.
Because there are no tools left for engineering an economic recovery (interest rates, deficit spending, cutting taxes all overdone) I fear the next recession will be both extreme and long. There may not be an upside to the cycle for a long, long time. Kind of like the Japanese experience when their hyper-inflated stock market crashed in the ‘90s. I wouldn’t be in growth equities now.
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