aeshultz

Can anyone help to ID this frame? This bike is for sale at a local co-op, frame has been repainted with no stampings other than the bb serial number. Mostly Campy drive train with Campy dropouts. Size is 59cm and they're asking $220, in case anyone is interested. I can get other photos if they would be helpful- just let me know.
Any help would be appreciated - thanks.

CliffordK

It does give me a bit of an Italian vibe. But, only mid-level. Did you catch the bottombracket threading?

unworthy1

I'm thinking more like "Benelux" but we are guessing: find out the BB threading and seatpost size.

unterhausen

Atala, what do I win?

juvela

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The domed stay ends would tend to eliminate an Oytoy origin.

IIRC this shell may be from Fischer but @MauriceMoss is sure to know the scoop!

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unworthy1

They are BCM (Bocama) Serie Super-Leger Luxe headlugs, so I'm sticking with my "Benelux" guess for now...still need the BB threading and seatpost size, or just have @MauriceMoss chime in!

aeshultz

OK- thanks guys. I'll measure the seatpost on Tuesday, and see if they want to pull the BB to check threading.
Stand by.

merziac

No idea on ID, but that headtube appears to be gacked and I would need to know the extent for price consideration.

aeshultz

"Gacked" as in bent, or ? I didn't notice anything in person- perhaps it's the cheesy iPhone photos? I'll have another look.
Thanks.

merziac

Looks like a ding at the top in the 2nd photo right under the race, maybe just dirt or grease.

merziac

Also forgot, whatever it is, it's pretty nice, at $220 I would have come home with it regardless of ding, didn't see the price originally, I would encourage you to make it so, stat.

aeshultz

Merziac - I took that bright spot right under the headset cup to be from cable rub - I'll look closer this coming Tuesday. I would have grabbed it, but it's too big for me (59 c-t-c), and I'm trying to be better about buying stuff I can't ride <G>.

MauriceMoss

@unworthy1 is spot on with the lug ID.

My first hunch was Belgium/Netherlands, too. However, seeing the bottom bracket shell made me think in another direction.

I'm leaning towards this being an early 80s Puch (Mistral) Replica or maybe Superlicht.

Some of these had 7 digit numbers stamped into the bottom bracket shell (in addition to the ones in OP's pics) but some apparently didn't. I'm not sure what the non-serial numbers actually mean.

Anyways, here are some pics:


Replica:





Superlicht:





Some bottom bracket shells:

unterhausen

Good catch, that has to be what the OP's bike is.

maybe left is size or model and right is date code?

aeshultz

Now we're gettin' somewhere- thanks!

unworthy1

Yeah Mr. Moss is the MAN! Excellent sleuthing (as we take for granted from Maurice) and nice bikes these Austrians, often have longer than usual top tubes for folks with tall torso and certainly some combo of 531 DB tubing...buy it!

merziac

Ahh, right you are, can see it way better on the big screen, doh!

bulgie 

Impressive lug ID. All I could remember was Bocama.

Borrowed without permission from https://anciensveloslyonnais.weebly.com/bocama.html
-an awesome resource, check 'em out. (I'm new here; someone let me know if that kinda borrowing is not cool.)

I think the BB shell is RGF (Raccords Gargatte Frères or just Gargatte for short.)

Instantly distinguishable by the large RGF in an oval, stamped into the top left -- unless someone brazed a big ol' cable guide fitting right over the stamped letters. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

-Mark Bulgier, Seattle

unworthy1

Whoa! Mark Bulgier has joined our little group! ^ WELCOME Mark, your reputation proceeds you!^
I did not know the "Gargle Bros" made a slotted shell like that, but there's a lot I don't know.
I think "borrowing" images for non-profit use on this forum is A-OK but I always try to give credit when I do, but I only play a Lawyer on TV!
So sticking my neck out (or my foot into it): here's a pic of a RGF shell with the slots going the "wrong way" reproduced without permission from the interwebs but this is fully copyright Dale Brown because it's originally from Classic Rendezvous site and Dale is very sensitive about maintaining his copyright!

Well on cross-exam it turns out these images were already "borrowed" from Velobase so don't think Dale and CR could claim copyright on them anyway, but at least CR did give credit, so...your honor I move to dismiss, ipso facto!

aeshultz

And- I left tonight without putting a mic on the seatpost- sorry!
We'll accept the Puch ID as "close enough."
Thanks to everyone for the help!

Tallbikes

Brazings remind me of ferraroli