A circa 1954 Carlton Super Python
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It'll work fine that way, but of course that adjuster won't be useful.
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Gregory, if you have the time and inclination, and appropriate measuring instruments: would please you tell me what the pitch and diameter of the friction screw holding that Simplex shifter are? And whether it's the same thread diameter and pitch as the cable adjustment gizmo shown beneath the shifter? Not that I can afford to buy either the Simplex or a Cyclo shifter just for the friction/fixing screw, but just so I know.
BTW, super frame, and I love the headset -- never seen one like that.
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BTW, super frame, and I love the headset -- never seen one like that.
Thanks,
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Charles Wahl, I'm afraid I only have a micrometer that I can make a very close estimate on the major diameter and pitch for the screws, but even more problematic is that I just disassembled the frame and put it all in storage on my parents' property again until I can get back to it during the winter. I should be able to check it out for you Sunday evening if time allows.
-Gregory
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Very nice! Since I am in line to get a 1960s Carlton, I am taking a special interest in your progress.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Beautiful Bike. Inspirational project.
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Well, besides a grand amount of refurbishment for components that have already been collected and shown off above, I just snagged the last critical parts and they happen to be the only arguably "special" bits besides the frame itself. It'll take a while for them to arrive from across the pond, so here's one of the photos from the auction...
A pair of Conloy Constrictor "BOA" pedals with adjustable cages, which date soundly to the era of the Super Python. These were Conloy's most expensive pedals and obviously very suitable for this particular build!
-Gregory
A pair of Conloy Constrictor "BOA" pedals with adjustable cages, which date soundly to the era of the Super Python. These were Conloy's most expensive pedals and obviously very suitable for this particular build!
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I am definitely enjoying this thread. We ride similar size bikes and have similar taste so I live vicariously through your builds. My youngest is in college right now so watching builds is in my best interest. Perhaps I can actually make one of these happen in four years. LOL
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Great to see progress on this fine build.
Now you're pretty much roped into finding a pair of Constrictor "Python" tires!
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Now you're pretty much roped into finding a pair of Constrictor "Python" tires!
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Kilroy,
The geometry of that bike is VERY similar to my 1952 Rudge Aero Special. Was Carlton transferred into Raleigh at that time? My Rudge was made by Raleigh at Nottingham, and looks nearly identical except for a frame mounted DT shift cable guide pulley at the BB, versus a seat-lug mounted pulley for a Sturmey Archer gearhub shift cable.
1952 Rudge Aero Special
Same Rudge, drive side
The geometry of that bike is VERY similar to my 1952 Rudge Aero Special. Was Carlton transferred into Raleigh at that time? My Rudge was made by Raleigh at Nottingham, and looks nearly identical except for a frame mounted DT shift cable guide pulley at the BB, versus a seat-lug mounted pulley for a Sturmey Archer gearhub shift cable.
1952 Rudge Aero Special
Same Rudge, drive side
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Thems some awesome pedals. Top notch!
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Kilroy,
The geometry of that bike is VERY similar to my 1952 Rudge Aero Special. Was Carlton transferred into Raleigh at that time? My Rudge was made by Raleigh at Nottingham, and looks nearly identical except for a frame mounted DT shift cable guide pulley at the BB, versus a seat-lug mounted pulley for a Sturmey Archer gearhub shift cable.
The geometry of that bike is VERY similar to my 1952 Rudge Aero Special. Was Carlton transferred into Raleigh at that time? My Rudge was made by Raleigh at Nottingham, and looks nearly identical except for a frame mounted DT shift cable guide pulley at the BB, versus a seat-lug mounted pulley for a Sturmey Archer gearhub shift cable.
The merger between the two under TI Industries and Carlton's takeover of Raleigh's lightweight division did not occur until the early 1960s. Carlton maintained their own line of bikes until around 1967, when Raleigh dropped its old line of lightweights (like the Gran Sport) and really simply took a bunch of Carlton's current models and re-badged them, then finally dissected Carlton's lineup to match perfectly with Raleigh's export models by the early-1970s. (EDIT: This is a simplified version of a rather complicated series of events if you actually follow all of the model lines and company organization).
The Rudge, Raleigh and Humber lightweights of the early 1950s were all similar in their essentials and built in Raleigh's Nottingham factory. For a lot more great information about the history of your particular bike's heritage read through Peter Kohler's great articles on the Raleigh Lentons and their Rudge and Humber cousins...
https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/20...1948-1960.html
And this one is applicable specifically to your Aero Special:
https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/20...erne-1952.html
-Gregory
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T'was a good day for finding and receiving packages containing items related to my Super Python! The pedals are beautiful, and I also got in a wonderfully preserved copy of 23rd edition of the Cycling Manual by Cycling magazine, which happens to date to 1954!
And earlier this morning I won another auction for a rare Bluemels celluloid spearpoint front fender, which were a racy looking product and commonly associated with time trialing. Fun stuff!
-Gregory
And earlier this morning I won another auction for a rare Bluemels celluloid spearpoint front fender, which were a racy looking product and commonly associated with time trialing. Fun stuff!
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That's a gorgeous old frame! Can you tell me what diameter the seat post is?
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Got some white cotton bar tape, plain white cable housing, and Gripfast wingnuts all around for the wheels, plus one final accessory to rule them all... A Coloral double bottle cage that I paid too much for but will surely keep for a long while!
Now after I finish building up my Mercian Campionissimo it will be time to do touch up work on the black paint on the Super Python then take the time to build it as well, probably sometime during the spring. All of the parts are assembled.
Hope everyone is having a good new year's weekend, 'n cheers!
-Gregory
Now after I finish building up my Mercian Campionissimo it will be time to do touch up work on the black paint on the Super Python then take the time to build it as well, probably sometime during the spring. All of the parts are assembled.
Hope everyone is having a good new year's weekend, 'n cheers!
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Nice. As a coincidence, I looked at completed auctions for Coloral just the other day. Don't know why, I haven't been in the market for one in a decade. They went up in price, damn, they went up in price. Enjoy your Ramon for the next month or two. Totally worth it.
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Kilroy1988, that Coloral double bottle cage is the absolute perfect thing for the build. I’m looking for one for my 1960 Franco Suisse. I’d love to see a photo of the bidons you’re using if you have them picked out already.
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iab This one still shows the initial asking price if you just check the completed auctions I think, but I made an offer for $50 less that was accepted... So I can still afford the soy sauce.
Pcampeau For now I'll use two of those reproduction alloy bidons with the L'eroica label, but will be on the lookout for original Coloral examples!
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Pcampeau For now I'll use two of those reproduction alloy bidons with the L'eroica label, but will be on the lookout for original Coloral examples!
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As reported elsewhere, I did get my Carlton, a blue 1962 Franco Suisse, which looks to be basically an update of your [Monty] Python. It will be fun to work in parallel.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Just eBay UK. I pay quite a lot for shipping... Hilary Stone also keeps an excellent pile of frames around at any given time but stuff larger than 23"/58cm is hard to come by. This frame is 24.5"/62cm with a low BB, so the head tube is only eight inches tall.
It's when I find ones like this that I have to pay the Piper!
It's when I find ones like this that I have to pay the Piper!
Right after I bought it. Front mudguard missing, I added the old Selle Anatomica, and some Specialized 27x1 ¼ tires.
Headbadge is a winner!
Frame figuring is mostly intact.
Main ravages of rust: seat cluster, seatstay, chainstay at BB. I'd like to touch up the top tube and the chainstays, so I would need a color match and a "Made in England" decal.
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What exactly are you asking me to do? We don't own the threads we start, as far as I can tell.
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