Seat angles, power, and sore necks
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Portland Fred
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Seat angles, power, and sore necks
This past week, I discovered cracks in one of the seat stays on my Challenge Seiran SL highracer. The shop I went to only had some Bachetta stays, so I thought I'd give them a shot. Just to get my bike on the road quickly, I decided not to address some installation issues and just used the bottom halves of the stays. This had the effect of giving me a much more reclined position with the top of the seat about 3" lower than before.
This has had a number of side effects. The first is that my riding position is much further back on the seat so I had to bring in my boom a couple inches. However, the new weight distribution is WAY more comfortable (no more "recumbutt"), I like the muscle sets that get engaged better, and it feels like the power might be better. The short but relatively thick stays are stiffer and more secure than the original equipment titanium ones. The new position lets me use my hams as well as other sets more plus the breathing is excellent. Speeds above 25mph are improved and this is really noticeable at 40+. Handling is decent, though slightly degraded for tighter work.
The biggest downside is that the neck position is terrible to the point of being painful. Even with my old setup, I had to get my neck in shape, but I can't imagine doing a ride of any significance without a brace. Also, my bars are now in my line of sight which obscures vision somewhat.
But the new position is so much more comfortable and the high end speed is enough more fun that I'm trying to figure out what to do. One thing I am wondering is if I'm not experiencing a placebo effect -- could just laying further back really improve my power or is that just in my head? Also, how bad is this neck thing going to be on longer rides? Lastly, presuming I should keep this new position which has me laying practically on my back, what neck rest would you recommend to attach to a Velokraft carbon fiber seat?
This has had a number of side effects. The first is that my riding position is much further back on the seat so I had to bring in my boom a couple inches. However, the new weight distribution is WAY more comfortable (no more "recumbutt"), I like the muscle sets that get engaged better, and it feels like the power might be better. The short but relatively thick stays are stiffer and more secure than the original equipment titanium ones. The new position lets me use my hams as well as other sets more plus the breathing is excellent. Speeds above 25mph are improved and this is really noticeable at 40+. Handling is decent, though slightly degraded for tighter work.
The biggest downside is that the neck position is terrible to the point of being painful. Even with my old setup, I had to get my neck in shape, but I can't imagine doing a ride of any significance without a brace. Also, my bars are now in my line of sight which obscures vision somewhat.
But the new position is so much more comfortable and the high end speed is enough more fun that I'm trying to figure out what to do. One thing I am wondering is if I'm not experiencing a placebo effect -- could just laying further back really improve my power or is that just in my head? Also, how bad is this neck thing going to be on longer rides? Lastly, presuming I should keep this new position which has me laying practically on my back, what neck rest would you recommend to attach to a Velokraft carbon fiber seat?
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What angle is the seat at right now? My bikes are around 22 degrees, but some of the fast crowd seems to like angles in the 10-15 degree range. And yes, lowering the seat can make a big difference in cruising speed. One thing to watch for is that your center of gravity not get moved back too far. My rule-of-thumb is for my shoulders to be ahead of the rear axle by at least an inch or two, so you're not unweighting the front end.
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Portland Fred
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What angle is the seat at right now? My bikes are around 22 degrees, but some of the fast crowd seems to like angles in the 10-15 degree range. And yes, lowering the seat can make a big difference in cruising speed. One thing to watch for is that your center of gravity not get moved back too far. My rule-of-thumb is for my shoulders to be ahead of the rear axle by at least an inch or two, so you're not unweighting the front end.
Legs feel good with this setup -- my normal way works the quads a bit too hard. But right now, neck position is so strained it actually gives me a headache. Part of me says to get a headrest, part of me says I'm trying to lean this seat back a bit too far.
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Neck rests leave your head free to look around, bob for balance and leave your helmet alone.
So, most head rests are really actually neck rests.
Yes, you need one.
Mr. Pedals likes to keep his shoulders ahead of the rear axle and that's superb advice.
I must keep my inner ear inside the axles.
When I've tried to ride my bike with the balance-sensing organs in my head behind the rear axle... well, balancing gets kind of fun.
But that's just me.
Google is your friend, my friend.
I can't/won't help you find a head rest as I feel it's a very personal choice, much like your helmet, gloves or shoes.
So, most head rests are really actually neck rests.
Yes, you need one.
Mr. Pedals likes to keep his shoulders ahead of the rear axle and that's superb advice.
I must keep my inner ear inside the axles.
When I've tried to ride my bike with the balance-sensing organs in my head behind the rear axle... well, balancing gets kind of fun.
But that's just me.
Google is your friend, my friend.
I can't/won't help you find a head rest as I feel it's a very personal choice, much like your helmet, gloves or shoes.
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ADEM Recumbent Headrests
these are great headrests and can be fitted to most seats (some by specific model).
these are great headrests and can be fitted to most seats (some by specific model).
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