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'Hook' rims vs 'hookless'?

Old 03-07-19, 11:31 PM
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'Hook' rims vs 'hookless'?

Just looking at some carbon wheels, and the company mailed me this.

There are two versions for every model, hook, and hookless. If you are planning running higher pressure(over 80psi) you can go with the hooked version, otherwise, the hookless version is ok.

Are the hookless less safe? And, do they allow for easier mounting of tubeless tyres?
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Hookless is for tubeless, and you won't be able to go with tires that aren't tubeless compatible without hooks. Your rims will be lighter and stronger though, particularly more impact resistant.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Hookless is for tubeless, and you won't be able to go with tires that aren't tubeless compatible without hooks. Your rims will be lighter and stronger though, particularly more impact resistant.
Planning to run Schwalbe Pro ones 28mm on these new wheels, so would you recommend hookless by choice?

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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Hookless is for tubeless, and you won't be able to go with tires that aren't tubeless compatible without hooks. Your rims will be lighter and stronger though, particularly more impact resistant.
the weight difference is minimal, and the impact resistance benefit is nearly irrelevant for road use.

Hooked carbon clinchers don't have a big problem with cracking rim beads.

Hookless beads limit tire selection to tubeless tires only. That was deal breaker for me.
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This is what Boyd says...

My recommendation for people when they are trying to decide between the two is based on the tires and type riding they are doing. If you are low pressure (under 60PSI) and high volume (above 30mm on the calipers) then hookless is great. If you are high pressure and lower volume, go with the hooked.

https://www.velocipedesalon.com/foru...tml#post913029
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^^^ What Boyd says. I wouldn't do hookless unless it was going to be a dedicated gravel wheelset.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
^^^ What Boyd says. I wouldn't do hookless unless it was going to be a dedicated gravel wheelset.
That's one reason that I went with LB instead of ENVE SES4.5 AR Disc.

Cost was also a huge factor.
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Just go hooks. If it's even remotely used for a road purpose then go with hooks. Pushing even 60 psi on some hookless is pushing it. The tire tech isn't there yet but the rim tech is solid especially at low pressures.
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Imo get rims with hooks. Even the new GP5000 TL is intended for hooked rims.
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Thanks guys. Hooked it is.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
the weight difference is minimal, and the impact resistance benefit is nearly irrelevant for road use.

Hooked carbon clinchers don't have a big problem with cracking rim beads.

Hookless beads limit tire selection to tubeless tires only. That was deal breaker for me.
​​​​​​Yeah, I really thought there would be more options by now. It's not that big a deal for me personally because I found some tires I love ... but the selection really is pretty limited. And that also means prices are generally higher.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
​​​​​​Yeah, I really thought there would be more options by now. It's not that big a deal for me personally because I found some tires I love.
It's not just the limited selection, but current tubeless technology could become obsolete if something better is developed.

It's probably not very likely to happen, but hooked rims give you the choice of using tubed tires if you have to(for whatever reason).
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Like if you get a puncture that won't seal, and the nearest shop doesn't have any tubeless road tires in stock?
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Like if you get a puncture that won't seal, and the nearest shop doesn't have any tubeless road tires in stock?
Buy a tube and install it just like always (into a kinda messy tire).

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Yeah, that's what had to happen. And a dollar bill as a boot.
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