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Specialized Roubaix: Retrofit FutureShock 2.0 to 1.0 bike?

Old 10-05-19, 11:08 PM
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Specialized Roubaix: Retrofit FutureShock 2.0 to 1.0 bike?

Is this possible?

The new version has an option to tweak the suspension on the fly (wasn't available earlier, have to manually swap out the springs).

Thanks.

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Old 10-06-19, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SWorksRoubaix View Post
Is this possible?

The new version has an option to tweak the suspension on the fly (wasn't available earlier, have to manually swap out the springs).

Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1-7_DywnMg
Is it possible? Answer: (a qualified) yes.

Caveat: I do not know with certainty that this retrofit is possible in a 1.0 Roubaix. I do know, however, that it works perfectly with a '19 Sirrus X Comp, which uses the Diverge version (progressive spring) of FS 1.0.

My bike's ('19 Sirrus X Comp) 1.0 FS was defective from the get-go, and was replaced under warranty a couple weeks ago. Specialized shipped a 2.0 (not 1.0, not 1.5) FS cartridge to my dealer as a replacement. It was installed with no issues, other than a spacer needed to work with the stock stem; the 2.0 Roubaix has a dedicated stem. Aesthetically, it looks like it belongs on the bike. I compared my 'new' Sirrus front end with a new Roubaix Expert (FS 2.0) at my lbs -- the look is identical.

What I can tell you: there is no comparison between the original and this 2.0 version. The latter not only looks nicer, but is utterly silent and effective. The hyraulic damping works as claimed: fully open, full travel; fully 'locked' is almost (not quite) a true lock-out; and everything in between.

I've no idea of the retail cost of the 2.0 cartridge, though I know it isn't inexpensive, but if you have an otherwise very nice Roubaix, and if this retrofit would work with your bike, it would be well worth it imo.

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Thanks! Will check with my LBS (I have a S-Works Roubaix with FS 1.0).
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Old 10-08-19, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SWorksRoubaix View Post
Thanks! Will check with my LBS (I have a S-Works Roubaix with FS 1.0).
I'm wondering if it's possible to convert a bike with the new 1.5 FS (such as the Comp) to the 2.0. The LBS says no, but is that entirely correct?
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Old 10-11-19, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SWorksRoubaix View Post
Thanks! Will check with my LBS (I have a S-Works Roubaix with FS 1.0).
I am very interested on this as well. Let me know what you find out!

Thanks
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Old 10-11-19, 09:17 AM
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Specialized says NO!

Hello, thank you for reaching out to us. Unfortunately the frame and fork are different on future shock 2.0 equipped bikes so you will not be able to upgrade your current future shock.

Have a great day!

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Description: Hi,
I am hoping you can help me. I have a 2017 Roubaix Comp with the original FutureShock 1.0. I love my bike and love the futureshock. Now that the new FutureShock 2.0 is out, I am wondering if:
1) Can I upgrade my Roubaix Comp to a FutureShock 2.0? Will it fit my fork and bearing?
2) Does Specialize sell the FutureShock 2.0? How much is it?
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Old 10-11-19, 09:27 AM
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Yes, it will fit, but it will void the warranty. We have tested it to fit in 1.0 frames, and it works. Good luck though getting just the 2.0 shock, Spesh has made it very difficult for dealers to order just the shock (for this very reason). They require photo evidence of damage to your shock and also require that you exchange the damaged one for a new shock. It is also a dealer only service part.

Basically, it will fit, but good luck getting one.
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Old 10-11-19, 09:50 AM
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Humm. Doesn’t ring as a true answer, especially given that at least one swap out between a 1.0 and 2.0 has been done successfully. I suspect there is more going on here than “it won’t fit.” The future scock in any version has never been available as an aftermarket Option for purchase — only as a replacement part that must be ordered by an authorized dealer. And the 2.0 is only available on a few top end bike models. Sounds more like a marketing ploy than an engineering problem.

Just one guys opinion. Don’t get me wrong. I have a 2016 Specialized Roubaix that has been a tremendous bike. In fact, the move to the future shock has make it a classic before its time. But, I have been very disappointed in the development and deployment of the newer future shock equipped bikes. This thread only reinforces that dismay.

sorry it didn’t work out for you.
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i would have thought a futureshock upgrade would be a good way to clearout stocks on those older Roubaix
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Does anyone have first-hand knowledge that the 2.0 Furureshock will work on older futureshock equipped frames? I am on good terms with my local shop and am thinking of trying it on an in-stock bike but would rather not pull the marker if I don't have to.
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Old 11-19-19, 07:33 PM
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I rented a Roubaix with some version of this and was impressed. At some point during a 45 mile ride I realized my hands/arm weren't fatigued and I remembered the shock. It was a sweet ride and makes me want to get something new again. My current ride is a 13 years old Kuota with Chorus 10, and it was a really hot bike when new, but it sure isn't new anymore. Aside from the FS, the 11sp wide cassette and disk brakes were a big improvement, and even though I've always disliked Shimano shifting, this 105 felt better than my Chorus does, but it is much newer too. I can only imagine what Ultegra and DA are like, or DI2, but then again Campy hasnt been sleeping either,
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Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
Is it possible? Answer: (a qualified) yes.

Caveat: I do not know with certainty that this retrofit is possible in a 1.0 Roubaix. I do know, however, that it works perfectly with a '19 Sirrus X Comp, which uses the Diverge version (progressive spring) of FS 1.0.

My bike's ('19 Sirrus X Comp) 1.0 FS was defective from the get-go, and was replaced under warranty a couple weeks ago. Specialized shipped a 2.0 (not 1.0, not 1.5) FS cartridge to my dealer as a replacement. It was installed with no issues, other than a spacer needed to work with the stock stem; the 2.0 Roubaix has a dedicated stem. Aesthetically, it looks like it belongs on the bike. I compared my 'new' Sirrus front end with a new Roubaix Expert (FS 2.0) at my lbs -- the look is identical.

What I can tell you: there is no comparison between the original and this 2.0 version. The latter not only looks nicer, but is utterly silent and effective. The hyraulic damping works as claimed: fully open, full travel; fully 'locked' is almost (not quite) a true lock-out; and everything in between.

I've no idea of the retail cost of the 2.0 cartridge, though I know it isn't inexpensive, but if you have an otherwise very nice Roubaix, and if this retrofit would work with your bike, it would be well worth it imo.

I talked to one of my go-to guys at my local Specialized LBS today and told him about what I've heard here. I asked him to get to the bottom of it and get an definitive answer from Specialized. I asked him to be discreet and act as if he was asking for himself out of curiosity, and not for a customer. I would think Specialized doesn't want to let on it's possible to change out a 1.0 or 1.5 for the 2.0, because obviously they want you to buy the higher end bikes to get the 2.0.

So my guy called me at closing to let me know he talked to a very reliable source, and he told him that aesthetically, it could be done and look fine from the outside. But on the inside it would not work ...especially after some riding time. Foregoing all the technical lingo he used, the bottom line is that the 2.0 is a longer cartridge and requires more room internally to work, and the bikes that are equipped with it are designed to have it. Swapping one out, while looking fine, would present an internal problem within the head tube that could potentially be dangerous.

Now, I don't know if everything I heard today was the truth, a total lie ...or somewhere in between. But, it puts you in a box where you really can't pursue it.

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Originally Posted by one4smoke View Post
I talked to one of my go-to guys at my local Specialized LBS today and told him about what I've heard here. I asked him to get to the bottom of it and get an definitive answer from Specialized. I asked him to be discreet and act as if he was asking for himself out of curiosity, and not for a customer. I would think Specialized doesn't want to let on it's possible to change out a 1.0 or 1.5 for the 2.0, because obviously they want you to buy the higher end bikes to get the 2.0.

So my guy called me at closing to let me know he talked to a very reliable source, and he told him that aesthetically, it could be done and look fine from the outside. But on the inside it would not work ...especially after some riding time. Foregoing all the technical lingo he used, the bottom line is that the 2.0 requires more room internally to work, and the bikes that are equipped with it are designed to have it. Swapping one out, while looking fine, would present an internal problem within the head tube that could potentially be dangerous.

Now, I don't know if everything I heard today was the truth, a total lie ...or somewhere in between. But, it puts you in a box where you really can't pursue it.
Not doubting at all the veracity of your report of what your source said, but what was said strikes me as total nonsense. There is absolutely no way that Specialized (the company) would have supplied my LBS with a 2.0 cartridge as a warranty replacement for a 1.0 cartridge if installing the former on my bike would be potentially dangerous, and I trust my LBS enough to know that they would not have installed it or released the bike to me were there any potentially dangerous issues.
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Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
Not doubting at all the veracity of your report of what your source said, but what was said strikes me as total nonsense. There is absolutely no way that Specialized (the company) would have supplied my LBS with a 2.0 cartridge as a warranty replacement for a 1.0 cartridge if installing the former on my bike would be potentially dangerous, and I trust my LBS enough to know that they would not have installed it or released the bike to me were there any potentially dangerous issues.
Well, that makes two of us because I don't doubt what you're saying either. So, this is certainly a head scratcher. I'd like to verify one way or the other, but it seems it all depends on who you talk to. Maybe it's dependent on which bike you have. What works on your Sirrus X Comp may not work on my Roubaix. Although, I don't believe my LBS guy even mentioned particular models. They just told him the repercussions of swapping them.
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............... the bottom line is that the 2.0 is a longer cartridge and requires more room internally to work, and the bikes that are equipped with it are designed to have it. ............
If lengths are the same for older bikes, should it not work???
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Well, that makes two of us because I don't doubt what you're saying either. So, this is certainly a head scratcher. I'd like to verify one way or the other, but it seems it all depends on who you talk to. Maybe it's dependent on which bike you have. What works on your Sirrus X Comp may not work on my Roubaix. Although, I don't believe my LBS guy even mentioned particular models. They just told him the repercussions of swapping them.
Agree ... the 'party line' (and apparent inconsistency given my experience) from Specialized is odd.

If the answer you received had to do with fitting a FS (any) to a non-FS Specialized frame, like your Roubaix (?), that's one thing. So I dunno!

The 'length' thing is odd, though. According to my LBS there were no compatibility issues at all, and the other thing is that I can't see how 2.0 requires more room internally to work, as reported to you. Physically, the whole cartridge surely either fits, with clearance, or it doesn't. The 'working' (action) of the shock takes place inside the cartridge, and the travel hasn't changed. Puzzled!
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The new future shock 2.0 uses the same clamp and internal diameter as the old 1.0. Both are full sealed systems and the 2.0 is supposed to be longer. There is a possibility that it will not work on small frames, but my 61cm has several inches of extra room.

The main reason that specialized doesn't want to sell these IMO is that they are simply not making enough of them to meet demand for production of current bikes that use them. Give them a year and suddenly they will have enough and retrofits will be easily available.
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Hi

I just got told by my LBS that you cannot go from 1.0 to 2.0 as Specialized have not tested the fork to be able to handle the extra stress from the locked out position. This actually makes sense. Specialized say that the 2.0 costs £800!!!! This is to stop you buying it but they also request your frame number when ordering one, so you probably could not get one even if you wanted to take the risk

I have a 2017 model Roubaix Expert with 1.0 and I just ordered a replacement and am getting a 1.5 as 1.0 are no longer available, so all 1.0 people should now get a 1.5, which is the new version but without the lockout & the hydraulic damper. However Roadbikereview says "the new Future Shock 1.5 ....h improves upon the original Future Shock". The replacement cartridge which does not include the top springs (you got 3 when you bought the bike) costs £85 from my LBS

If you have a 1.5 from new you may be able to get a 2.0 but I cannot confirm that
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Agree ... the 'party line' (and apparent inconsistency given my experience) from Specialized is odd.

If the answer you received had to do with fitting a FS (any) to a non-FS Specialized frame, like your Roubaix (?), that's one thing. So I dunno!

The 'length' thing is odd, though. According to my LBS there were no compatibility issues at all, and the other thing is that I can't see how 2.0 requires more room internally to work, as reported to you. Physically, the whole cartridge surely either fits, with clearance, or it doesn't. The 'working' (action) of the shock takes place inside the cartridge, and the travel hasn't changed. Puzzled!
I don't think it's odd; they want you to buy a whole new bike to get FS2.0 instead of just buying the service part.
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