upgrading from 10 speed to 11 speed ??
12-12-15, 11:24 PM
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upgrading from 10 speed to 11 speed ??
I crashed on my bike two days ago and i'm going to have to replace the shifters, but i was looking on merlin's cycles and they have a great deal on a semi groupset ultegra 6800 shifters,rear derailleur, and front derailleur, i have ultegra 6700 will my 2014 Fuji Roubaix 1.1 accept the 6800 upgrade. i have a pair of boyd altamontes which the rear hub is for an 11 speed but i use a spacer so that i can use the 10 speed cassette.
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I think it comes down to how much longer you'll want to ride that frame. If you're thinking a new bike in 12-18 months, I'd stick with a 5800 replacement or just 10-speed replacement levers. Frankly, just keep it on the road at approximately the same performance level. But if you've been planning on the bike lasting for the next 5 years, then I could see how the excellent prices from overseas vendors would be very enticing.
12-13-15, 12:42 AM
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I'd get the 5800 levers and derailleurs instead of the 6800 ones, and use the difference in money on the 5800 chain and cassette. Your bike will accept 11 speed components without a problem.
BTW, I have no idea what the hell cale is talking about.
BTW, I have no idea what the hell cale is talking about.
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I am moving over to 11 speed. I am doing it because the 7900 that is currently on my bike just doesn't shift that we'll and I am not that picky.
12-13-15, 02:31 AM
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$215 for the 10 speed shifters versus $323 for the 11 speed shifters plus front and rear derailleurs plus a new chain and cassette.
Sounds like a good deal to me but as always, it's your money so it's up to you how you want to spend it.
BUT. Is your front derailleur a braze-on or clamp? in the low res pics I found of the Fuji 1.1 it looks like a clamp to me which means you will need to add $16 for a braze-on to clamp adapter.
The crankset is still 10 speed but from what I have read this doesn't seem to be a problem with 11 speed gears and chains and should work (I use an 11 speed chainset on an otherwise 10 speed bike with no issues).
11 speed 105 uses metal gear levers while Ultegra uses carbon fibre. It could be argued that the 105 would be more durable in a crash.
Sounds like a good deal to me but as always, it's your money so it's up to you how you want to spend it.
BUT. Is your front derailleur a braze-on or clamp? in the low res pics I found of the Fuji 1.1 it looks like a clamp to me which means you will need to add $16 for a braze-on to clamp adapter.
The crankset is still 10 speed but from what I have read this doesn't seem to be a problem with 11 speed gears and chains and should work (I use an 11 speed chainset on an otherwise 10 speed bike with no issues).
11 speed 105 uses metal gear levers while Ultegra uses carbon fibre. It could be argued that the 105 would be more durable in a crash.
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I just went with the Sram Force 11 speed group on my Tarmac , 50/34 x 11-36 to use in the mountains . Great gear and I love it, shifts so well I seldom think about it being there.
Final thoughts however is I would have gone with the Red group because of weight savings. My new road bike has a Red group on it , nice piece of work for sure but it is a 10 speed and I may pull it off and go to an 11 when I feel a little more flush with cash.
Final thoughts however is I would have gone with the Red group because of weight savings. My new road bike has a Red group on it , nice piece of work for sure but it is a 10 speed and I may pull it off and go to an 11 when I feel a little more flush with cash.
12-13-15, 06:49 AM
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He doesn't need a new group, just shifters. The only reason to get more than just shifters is to move to 11-speed, and that still doesn't require the whole group plus that's not Tiagra. Tiagra shifters is a viable option for sticking with 10-speed if they are available separately and dirt cheap. That would make sense, but personally I would move up to the 6800. This is a damn good excuse, and that is what we are all looking for, right?
12-13-15, 07:51 AM
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For what it would cost to upgrade to 11 .... do it without hesitation (at least that's what I would do.) it is going to be a significant chunk of change either way. For a tiny bit extra, you can significantly improve the deal? Absolutely go for it.
A month form now you won't even notice the extra few dollars not in your account, and a year from now you will still be enjoying the 11-speed group, with many years after that still to enjoy them.
A month form now you won't even notice the extra few dollars not in your account, and a year from now you will still be enjoying the 11-speed group, with many years after that still to enjoy them.
12-13-15, 10:26 AM
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12-13-15, 12:36 PM
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Since you have a set of 11 speed comp. wheels, for the cost of the replacing a with a new set of 10 speed lever you might as well jump to 11 speed.
6800 group went as low as 500.00 bucks with merlin, I pick it up at 505.00
On the other hand if your are not ready to spend, a set of replacement 10 speed shifter can be had for under 150.00
Tiagra 4700 STI shifters runs for under 150.00 new I seen at at the 130 range. since you are running 6700 you dont need to worry about mushy brakes.
Used 6700 shifters is commonly in the 150 range, if you hunt you can likely score an entire group in the 300 range.
Used 5700 shifters is even less.
if you are going to keep the frame for a while go 11, if you are not just replace the lever
6800 group went as low as 500.00 bucks with merlin, I pick it up at 505.00
On the other hand if your are not ready to spend, a set of replacement 10 speed shifter can be had for under 150.00
Tiagra 4700 STI shifters runs for under 150.00 new I seen at at the 130 range. since you are running 6700 you dont need to worry about mushy brakes.
Used 6700 shifters is commonly in the 150 range, if you hunt you can likely score an entire group in the 300 range.
Used 5700 shifters is even less.
if you are going to keep the frame for a while go 11, if you are not just replace the lever
12-13-15, 12:43 PM
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Since you have a set of 11 speed comp. wheels, for the cost of the replacing a with a new set of 10 speed lever you might as well jump to 11 speed.
6800 group went as low as 500.00 bucks with merlin, I pick it up at 505.00
On the other hand if your are not ready to spend, a set of replacement 10 speed shifter can be had for under 150.00
Tiagra 4700 STI shifters runs for under 150.00 new I seen at at the 130 range. since you are running 6700 you dont need to worry about mushy brakes.
Used 6700 shifters is commonly in the 150 range, if you hunt you can likely score an entire group in the 300 range.
Used 5700 shifters is even less.
if you are going to keep the frame for a while go 11, if you are not just replace the lever
6800 group went as low as 500.00 bucks with merlin, I pick it up at 505.00
On the other hand if your are not ready to spend, a set of replacement 10 speed shifter can be had for under 150.00
Tiagra 4700 STI shifters runs for under 150.00 new I seen at at the 130 range. since you are running 6700 you dont need to worry about mushy brakes.
Used 6700 shifters is commonly in the 150 range, if you hunt you can likely score an entire group in the 300 range.
Used 5700 shifters is even less.
if you are going to keep the frame for a while go 11, if you are not just replace the lever
https://www..com/shimano-105-5800-gear-kit-85057.html
12-13-15, 12:49 PM
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Since you have a set of 11 speed comp. wheels, for the cost of the replacing a with a new set of 10 speed lever you might as well jump to 11 speed.
6800 group went as low as 500.00 bucks with merlin, I pick it up at 505.00
On the other hand if your are not ready to spend, a set of replacement 10 speed shifter can be had for under 150.00
Tiagra 4700 STI shifters runs for under 150.00 new I seen at at the 130 range. since you are running 6700 you dont need to worry about mushy brakes.
Used 6700 shifters is commonly in the 150 range, if you hunt you can likely score an entire group in the 300 range.
Used 5700 shifters is even less.
if you are going to keep the frame for a while go 11, if you are not just replace the lever
6800 group went as low as 500.00 bucks with merlin, I pick it up at 505.00
On the other hand if your are not ready to spend, a set of replacement 10 speed shifter can be had for under 150.00
Tiagra 4700 STI shifters runs for under 150.00 new I seen at at the 130 range. since you are running 6700 you dont need to worry about mushy brakes.
Used 6700 shifters is commonly in the 150 range, if you hunt you can likely score an entire group in the 300 range.
Used 5700 shifters is even less.
if you are going to keep the frame for a while go 11, if you are not just replace the lever
12-13-15, 01:06 PM
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5800 shifters and derailleurs are $177 & $40 for a cassette and chain.
https://www..com/shimano-105-5800-gear-kit-85057.html
https://www..com/shimano-105-5800-gear-kit-85057.html
https://www.merlincycles.com/shimano...kit-85057.html
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He doesn't need a new group, just shifters. The only reason to get more than just shifters is to move to 11-speed, and that still doesn't require the whole group plus that's not Tiagra. Tiagra shifters is a viable option for sticking with 10-speed if they are available separately and dirt cheap. That would make sense, but personally I would move up to the 6800. This is a damn good excuse, and that is what we are all looking for, right?
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Yeah, going from 10 to 11 speed (within 105/Ultegra/DA) requires a new chain/cassette/front and rear derailleurs/ front and rear shifters. With Merlin selling 5800 and 6800 "gear kits" for $180-250, you'll still need a chain and cassette, so plus $40 or more.
The option to stay with 10 speed could be as little as $114, Ribble Cycles Shimano 4600 10-speed shifters with compatibility to 6700.
Does the OP really want to spend twice as much?
The option to stay with 10 speed could be as little as $114, Ribble Cycles Shimano 4600 10-speed shifters with compatibility to 6700.
Does the OP really want to spend twice as much?
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Yeah, going from 10 to 11 speed (within 105/Ultegra/DA) requires a new chain/cassette/front and rear derailleurs/ front and rear shifters. With Merlin selling 5800 and 6800 "gear kits" for $180-250, you'll still need a chain and cassette, so plus $40 or more.
The option to stay with 10 speed could be as little as $114, Ribble Cycles Shimano 4600 10-speed shifters with compatibility to 6700.
Does the OP really want to spend twice as much?
The option to stay with 10 speed could be as little as $114, Ribble Cycles Shimano 4600 10-speed shifters with compatibility to 6700.
Does the OP really want to spend twice as much?
12-13-15, 02:09 PM
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But if the OP's desire is to hold onto this bike for 4-5 years, then I could see how taking advantage of sales prices on 5800 or 6800 kit could lead to years of satisfaction.
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He doesn't need a new group, just shifters. The only reason to get more than just shifters is to move to 11-speed, and that still doesn't require the whole group plus that's not Tiagra. Tiagra shifters is a viable option for sticking with 10-speed if they are available separately and dirt cheap. That would make sense, but personally I would move up to the 6800. This is a damn good excuse, and that is what we are all looking for, right?
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$215 for the 10 speed shifters versus $323 for the 11 speed shifters plus front and rear derailleurs plus a new chain and cassette.
Sounds like a good deal to me but as always, it's your money so it's up to you how you want to spend it.
BUT. Is your front derailleur a braze-on or clamp? in the low res pics I found of the Fuji 1.1 it looks like a clamp to me which means you will need to add $16 for a braze-on to clamp adapter.
The crankset is still 10 speed but from what I have read this doesn't seem to be a problem with 11 speed gears and chains and should work (I use an 11 speed chainset on an otherwise 10 speed bike with no issues).
11 speed 105 uses metal gear levers while Ultegra uses carbon fibre. It could be argued that the 105 would be more durable in a crash.
Sounds like a good deal to me but as always, it's your money so it's up to you how you want to spend it.
BUT. Is your front derailleur a braze-on or clamp? in the low res pics I found of the Fuji 1.1 it looks like a clamp to me which means you will need to add $16 for a braze-on to clamp adapter.
The crankset is still 10 speed but from what I have read this doesn't seem to be a problem with 11 speed gears and chains and should work (I use an 11 speed chainset on an otherwise 10 speed bike with no issues).
11 speed 105 uses metal gear levers while Ultegra uses carbon fibre. It could be argued that the 105 would be more durable in a crash.
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LoL don't tempt me haha nah the bike is surprisingly okay no scratches on the frame nothing i double checked and nothing everything is fine except the shifters SMH