ravenmore

I'm hoping to get these put together today, but just got some White Industry H1 Hubs, DT Revolution Spokes (nearly $100 for spokes - had to buy 'em locally. @#$@), and Mavic Open Pro rims. Both wheels are going to be 32 spoke 3x cross. I weighed all the components, including nipples, and it came to 1498 grams! Not bad for a 32 spoke 3x wheelset I'll use everyday. Should drop the weight of the Giant into the low 16's.

ravenmore

Btw - these hubs are crazy light. Quality looks awesome too.

bsyptak

So, what, about $6-700 for the parts alone?

ravenmore

Actually quite a bit less but only because I work part time at a bike shop. We didn't have the spokes in stock and I had to go to a friend at another shop for them. Ended up being $1.35 per spoke. Doh. I had to have black spokes - the hubs and rim are black too. I'm taking the rims off of my Ultegra hubs so no additional cost there.

Even if I did pay full price I think it'd be worth it. These are going to be strong wheels as well as very light. The H1's build up a pretty stiff wheel too. The flange on the drive side is really tall which makes for a much stiffer wheel build. I love that company. I was going through their catalog they sent with the hubs and they have some killer products. Very innovative in a clean industrial artistic style. They have some amazingly impressive stuff.

bsyptak

Those are going to be nice. No kid gloves either.

Hocam

Yeah that tall flange helps reduce the angle that the drive side spokes meet the rim. That reduces the required tension on the drive side to keep the rim in the middle of the dropouts, which means higher non-drive side tension.

It's the same concept as an off center rear rim, just applied at the hub.

Now with an off center aerohead rim, that be a really strong rear wheel...

blandin

Sounds like a fabulous build - can't wait to see the pictures.

Patriot

I have been wanting to get one of those wheel building machines. How expensive are they? I'd love to learn how.

NRRider

Awesome--that sounds really light. Any sense for the advantages/disadvantages of the Open Pros versus the DT Swiss RR.1's? I've been contemplating building a new wheelset and those two seem to be pretty close. I'm 6'1", 185-190; was thinking of going with 28h.

roadfix

Get a truing stand instead......better to build wheels yourself....

Hocam

+1


errrr +4 wheels

Mike V

I have those exact set of wheels but with the first generation White Ind. hubs.

I put double butted DT on the drive side for though.

MV

waterrockets 

Cool! Those will be great wheels. Just make sure the builder does his or her best work (spoke line adjustment, heads bedded, stress relieved, nice even tension, etc.).

I'd like to build a set around some White hubs one day. I have two White ENO eccentric hubs in my stable, but those arent what I'm talking about

ravenmore

Still at work, but we built 'em up. They ended up at 1470 grams. The guy who built them is a friend of mine and he did a great job. I've only tooled around the parking lot in my sandals on them, but they feel very stiff. The bike is down to 16.1 pounds with 'em. I'll try to post some pics later tonight or tomorrow depending on what time I get home.

CdCf

You lost 28 g in the process?

ravenmore

Yeah right? Not sure what happened - maybe I had too many nipples or something when I weighed the individual parts.

They are light and very stiff from my initial impression. They feel stiffer than the Ultegra Open Pro combo actually. We'll see after I put a few miles on them manana.

ravenmore

Finally some pics! Overall the bike doesn't look a lot different. I mean I had 32 spoke wheels on Open Pro's before. Tension is very even and very high on the drive side rear spokes, which is probably why the wheel feels so stiff. Note in the one pic how the valve stem points right to the White Industry logo on the hub. Nice touch.

Coyote2

I had 32h 3x wheels built with DT Rev spokes, and the rear never stayed true for more than 100-200 miles. I hope you have better luck. BTW, I weighed 170 lbs or so.

ravenmore

do you know how high and how even the spoke tension was on the wheels? If the spoke tension was uneven it would cause that.

Coyote2

No, I don't know. I DO know that they were built in a decent shop and that two different mechanics made repeated attempts to properly true the wheels, all to no avail. Only solution was to relace with Competition spokes.

I think the Revs are simply too light to hold proper tension on the drive side -- unless you are under 130 lbs or so.

ravenmore

Hmmm - not sure I agree with that entirely. I'd like to know both what the spoke tension was and how even it was before I'd say you couldn't use them. I'm 195, so I'll test them out pretty thoroughly. My friend who built them is a really good wrench and in addition to that we have an engineer guy who comes in for wheel parts for a mechanical engineering project. He's done a lot of testing on spoke tension and stress limits, ect. He tells my buddy to crank the tension up to 120 on the drive side. He said the spokes will not break - the rim will collapse first as you crank the tension up.

I'd like to have checked your wheels out - my guess is that the spoke tension wasn't very even, or was fairly low (most folks tension them at 50 -80). We also had a heck of a time with this build, as we had 1 spoke that was a couple mm longer than the others by accident. We didn't catch it until after a few hours - it was causing horrible truing problems. 3 sets of eyes had to look at it before we caught it.

Coyote2

If you weigh 195, I'd really like an update after you have ridden these wheels a few hundred miles. Perhaps your wheels will hold up better, and then I will have a better idea of why mine didn't hold up. I sure hope yours work well for you.

For what it's worth, the guy who built 'em stated that they should be "bombproof," but he no longer works for the shop -- for good reason, I am told. The two other mechanics who tried to get the wheels to stay true each told me "This is why we don't use Revolutions on rear wheels." The spokes won't break, but they simply flex too much, which allows them to unwind and allows the rim to go out-of-true.

NFields

now lets get those tire labels and presta valves lined up for the next pic.
Nice wheels too!

NFields

Mike V

My wheels have been trued a total of three times since I have had them (95). The first time was after 200 miles of break in. The next time was about a year latter. The last time was about 2 years after that.

I don't ride them much anymore but mine are "old reliable" of my pick of wheels.


MV

rruff

They are functionally the same as CX-Rays, which I use for practically everything. I've been riding a wheel with only 21 of them on the back with zero issues for 4k miles... and I weigh the same as you. What were the hubs and lacing pattern? What kind of riding did you do on them... any low gear uphill sprints?