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Caadx or Caadx SE?
Hi everyone. CAADX or CAADX SE? I'm coming from a 2014 CAAD 10 105. I absolutely love the bike but have started going off road. I've put Panaracer Gravel King 26s on it and think I am ready to commit to a bigger tire bike. I still like to get zippy on the road too. I will be selling my CAAD 10 to help pay for this new bike.
My question is, if I get the CAADX, will I regret not being able to put even bigger tires than the CAADX allows? Making me want to upgrade in the future? Or is the CAADX enough?
I want to have a bike I can rip around on the road and have a great time on the hard packed dirt trails and single track outside of Paris. For the future I want to have the option of light touring and cyclocross racing. I know that sounds like I'm all over the place but I really would like this bike to have the option of doing those things.
The CAADX Tiagra (same as my 105 5700 right?) is so much more affordable and available to test ride here in Paris.
So, if I buy the CAADX am I just going to want to upgrade later? Can anyone tell me the main difference between the CAADX and CAADX SE? How different will they ride? I'm having a hard time finding an SE in stock here in Paris. I'm also willing to wait, i don't need the bike asap.
My question is, if I get the CAADX, will I regret not being able to put even bigger tires than the CAADX allows? Making me want to upgrade in the future? Or is the CAADX enough?
I want to have a bike I can rip around on the road and have a great time on the hard packed dirt trails and single track outside of Paris. For the future I want to have the option of light touring and cyclocross racing. I know that sounds like I'm all over the place but I really would like this bike to have the option of doing those things.
The CAADX Tiagra (same as my 105 5700 right?) is so much more affordable and available to test ride here in Paris.
So, if I buy the CAADX am I just going to want to upgrade later? Can anyone tell me the main difference between the CAADX and CAADX SE? How different will they ride? I'm having a hard time finding an SE in stock here in Paris. I'm also willing to wait, i don't need the bike asap.
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Hi everyone. CAADX or CAADX SE? I'm coming from a 2014 CAAD 10 105. I absolutely love the bike but have started going off road. I've put Panaracer Gravel King 26s on it and think I am ready to commit to a bigger tire bike. I still like to get zippy on the road too. I will be selling my CAAD 10 to help pay for this new bike.
My question is, if I get the CAADX, will I regret not being able to put even bigger tires than the CAADX allows? Making me want to upgrade in the future? Or is the CAADX enough?
I want to have a bike I can rip around on the road and have a great time on the hard packed dirt trails and single track outside of Paris. For the future I want to have the option of light touring and cyclocross racing. I know that sounds like I'm all over the place but I really would like this bike to have the option of doing those things.
The CAADX Tiagra (same as my 105 5700 right?) is so much more affordable and available to test ride here in Paris.
So, if I buy the CAADX am I just going to want to upgrade later? Can anyone tell me the main difference between the CAADX and CAADX SE? How different will they ride? I'm having a hard time finding an SE in stock here in Paris. I'm also willing to wait, i don't need the bike asap.
My question is, if I get the CAADX, will I regret not being able to put even bigger tires than the CAADX allows? Making me want to upgrade in the future? Or is the CAADX enough?
I want to have a bike I can rip around on the road and have a great time on the hard packed dirt trails and single track outside of Paris. For the future I want to have the option of light touring and cyclocross racing. I know that sounds like I'm all over the place but I really would like this bike to have the option of doing those things.
The CAADX Tiagra (same as my 105 5700 right?) is so much more affordable and available to test ride here in Paris.
So, if I buy the CAADX am I just going to want to upgrade later? Can anyone tell me the main difference between the CAADX and CAADX SE? How different will they ride? I'm having a hard time finding an SE in stock here in Paris. I'm also willing to wait, i don't need the bike asap.
The only difference between the models is the stock build. The framesets are exactly the same except for color. Since you want to "zipp around on the road" the SE's wider gearing range will be better. Also, the wheels are better, the tires are better, the 105 is 11s, the whole cockpit is better, the saddle is better, and the brake calipers are better. All for only $300 more. It's a no brainer. So go test ride a CAADX and it will tell you close enough of how it rides and if you like it. Then order an SE.
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This is an easy one. CAADX SE for sure.
The only difference between the models is the stock build. The framesets are exactly the same except for color. Since you want to "zipp around on the road" the SE's wider gearing range will be better. Also, the wheels are better, the tires are better, the 105 is 11s, the whole cockpit is better, the saddle is better, and the brake calipers are better. All for only $300 more. It's a no brainer. So go test ride a CAADX and it will tell you close enough of how it rides and if you like it. Then order an SE.
The only difference between the models is the stock build. The framesets are exactly the same except for color. Since you want to "zipp around on the road" the SE's wider gearing range will be better. Also, the wheels are better, the tires are better, the 105 is 11s, the whole cockpit is better, the saddle is better, and the brake calipers are better. All for only $300 more. It's a no brainer. So go test ride a CAADX and it will tell you close enough of how it rides and if you like it. Then order an SE.
Here's another question to people that ride gravel and cross. Will I get bored with the tire clearance of a cross bike and just want to keep going bigger and bigger? Or is there a sweet spot of road tire that is very fun on fire roads, single track and asphalt? This bike will see a good amount of pavement as well as packed dirt roads. Will anything more than a 40c feel like a drag?
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I appreciate your comment. So the SE has the same exact tire clearance as the other CAADX frames? I was led to beleive that it has clearance for bigger tires. If it is the same as the CAADX frames then it will open me up to CAADX's as well as the occasional SuperX that is popping up.
Here's another question to people that ride gravel and cross. Will I get bored with the tire clearance of a cross bike and just want to keep going bigger and bigger? Or is there a sweet spot of road tire that is very fun on fire roads, single track and asphalt? This bike will see a good amount of pavement as well as packed dirt roads. Will anything more than a 40c feel like a drag?
Here's another question to people that ride gravel and cross. Will I get bored with the tire clearance of a cross bike and just want to keep going bigger and bigger? Or is there a sweet spot of road tire that is very fun on fire roads, single track and asphalt? This bike will see a good amount of pavement as well as packed dirt roads. Will anything more than a 40c feel like a drag?
I can't speak for anyone else but 40mm is max for me if I'm riding on the road a lot but I would prefer narrower. I'm running 38mm Trigger Pros which have a fairly smooth center tread and they feel pretty good on the road while not giving away too much off-road. But this will vary quite a bit from person to person depending on their desires and riding conditions.
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I just took delivery of a brand new SuperX (in fact, I think it’s a 2019). I went with the SE for reasons described by Shoota. The SuperX frameset is what it is. I compared the Force 1 build to the Force 1 SE and felt that the cassette, wheel set, seatpost and saddle, and the bar and stem were worth the price bump. You can do the same comparison with the CAADX and CAADX SE. Are the component upgrades worth the coin? If you hold back now, will you ever upgrade later (perhaps, since you’re trading in your 2014....)
I have zero miles on the SuperX, so I have no advice to offer performance-wise. But all that I’ve read is that 35-40mm tires are fine for the road unless you’re on the hairy edge of competitive in a hyper competitive ride group. That’s weight-weenie territory anyway. I mostly ride alone against my own desires. I’m not carving corners at 40+ mph descents. But i do mostly road riding, often on poorly maintained county roads and (now more likely) some dirt roads and rail trails. That’s why I went SE.
I have zero miles on the SuperX, so I have no advice to offer performance-wise. But all that I’ve read is that 35-40mm tires are fine for the road unless you’re on the hairy edge of competitive in a hyper competitive ride group. That’s weight-weenie territory anyway. I mostly ride alone against my own desires. I’m not carving corners at 40+ mph descents. But i do mostly road riding, often on poorly maintained county roads and (now more likely) some dirt roads and rail trails. That’s why I went SE.
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I just took delivery of a brand new SuperX (in fact, I think it’s a 2019). I went with the SE for reasons described by Shoota. The SuperX frameset is what it is. I compared the Force 1 build to the Force 1 SE and felt that the cassette, wheel set, seatpost and saddle, and the bar and stem were worth the price bump. You can do the same comparison with the CAADX and CAADX SE. Are the component upgrades worth the coin? If you hold back now, will you ever upgrade later (perhaps, since you’re trading in your 2014....)
I have zero miles on the SuperX, so I have no advice to offer performance-wise. But all that I’ve read is that 35-40mm tires are fine for the road unless you’re on the hairy edge of competitive in a hyper competitive ride group. That’s weight-weenie territory anyway. I mostly ride alone against my own desires. I’m not carving corners at 40+ mph descents. But i do mostly road riding, often on poorly maintained county roads and (now more likely) some dirt roads and rail trails. That’s why I went SE.
I have zero miles on the SuperX, so I have no advice to offer performance-wise. But all that I’ve read is that 35-40mm tires are fine for the road unless you’re on the hairy edge of competitive in a hyper competitive ride group. That’s weight-weenie territory anyway. I mostly ride alone against my own desires. I’m not carving corners at 40+ mph descents. But i do mostly road riding, often on poorly maintained county roads and (now more likely) some dirt roads and rail trails. That’s why I went SE.
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All the CAADX frames are the same. The new SuperX's have slightly more tire clearance, maybe that's where you heard there is a difference?
I can't speak for anyone else but 40mm is max for me if I'm riding on the road a lot but I would prefer narrower. I'm running 38mm Trigger Pros which have a fairly smooth center tread and they feel pretty good on the road while not giving away too much off-road. But this will vary quite a bit from person to person depending on their desires and riding conditions.
I can't speak for anyone else but 40mm is max for me if I'm riding on the road a lot but I would prefer narrower. I'm running 38mm Trigger Pros which have a fairly smooth center tread and they feel pretty good on the road while not giving away too much off-road. But this will vary quite a bit from person to person depending on their desires and riding conditions.
Whichever CAADX I land on I will be wanting to put on different tires. I'm looking at the 35 or 38 Schwalbe G-ONE Allrounds, which look very fun and suited to the kind of riding I will be doing. I was thinking that running them as clinchers to give me the option of throwing the knobbier Rapid Rob's on for the occasional extra dirty outing or possible CX race. Is that a bad idea? It looks like the stock rims for both the 105 and Tiagra are not tubeless ready. The thought of converting a wheel to tubeless, then setting up tubeless tires is an intimidating idea.
Again, I appreciate your help.
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Thanks guys for your input. If tire clearance is the same on all the CAADX models then it's all good to me. I am happy in my ignorance thinking my CAAD10 105 5700 is the best bike in the world haha. I'm also fine waiting to see what 2019 offers, whenever those are released.
Whichever CAADX I land on I will be wanting to put on different tires. I'm looking at the 35 or 38 Schwalbe G-ONE Allrounds, which look very fun and suited to the kind of riding I will be doing. I was thinking that running them as clinchers to give me the option of throwing the knobbier Rapid Rob's on for the occasional extra dirty outing or possible CX race. Is that a bad idea? It looks like the stock rims for both the 105 and Tiagra are not tubeless ready. The thought of converting a wheel to tubeless, then setting up tubeless tires is an intimidating idea.
Again, I appreciate your help.
Whichever CAADX I land on I will be wanting to put on different tires. I'm looking at the 35 or 38 Schwalbe G-ONE Allrounds, which look very fun and suited to the kind of riding I will be doing. I was thinking that running them as clinchers to give me the option of throwing the knobbier Rapid Rob's on for the occasional extra dirty outing or possible CX race. Is that a bad idea? It looks like the stock rims for both the 105 and Tiagra are not tubeless ready. The thought of converting a wheel to tubeless, then setting up tubeless tires is an intimidating idea.
Again, I appreciate your help.
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I appreciate your comment. So the SE has the same exact tire clearance as the other CAADX frames? I was led to beleive that it has clearance for bigger tires. If it is the same as the CAADX frames then it will open me up to CAADX's as well as the occasional SuperX that is popping up.
Here's another question to people that ride gravel and cross. Will I get bored with the tire clearance of a cross bike and just want to keep going bigger and bigger? Or is there a sweet spot of road tire that is very fun on fire roads, single track and asphalt? This bike will see a good amount of pavement as well as packed dirt roads. Will anything more than a 40c feel like a drag?
Here's another question to people that ride gravel and cross. Will I get bored with the tire clearance of a cross bike and just want to keep going bigger and bigger? Or is there a sweet spot of road tire that is very fun on fire roads, single track and asphalt? This bike will see a good amount of pavement as well as packed dirt roads. Will anything more than a 40c feel like a drag?
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Thanks guys for your input. If tire clearance is the same on all the CAADX models then it's all good to me. I am happy in my ignorance thinking my CAAD10 105 5700 is the best bike in the world haha. I'm also fine waiting to see what 2019 offers, whenever those are released.
Whichever CAADX I land on I will be wanting to put on different tires. I'm looking at the 35 or 38 Schwalbe G-ONE Allrounds, which look very fun and suited to the kind of riding I will be doing. I was thinking that running them as clinchers to give me the option of throwing the knobbier Rapid Rob's on for the occasional extra dirty outing or possible CX race. Is that a bad idea? It looks like the stock rims for both the 105 and Tiagra are not tubeless ready. The thought of converting a wheel to tubeless, then setting up tubeless tires is an intimidating idea.
Again, I appreciate your help.
Whichever CAADX I land on I will be wanting to put on different tires. I'm looking at the 35 or 38 Schwalbe G-ONE Allrounds, which look very fun and suited to the kind of riding I will be doing. I was thinking that running them as clinchers to give me the option of throwing the knobbier Rapid Rob's on for the occasional extra dirty outing or possible CX race. Is that a bad idea? It looks like the stock rims for both the 105 and Tiagra are not tubeless ready. The thought of converting a wheel to tubeless, then setting up tubeless tires is an intimidating idea.
Again, I appreciate your help.
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Wait, what? Are you saying swapping two tires takes you under an hour or am I misunderstanding? With tubed tires, it takes me around 10 minutes.
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Haha, yeah, changing tubed vs. tubeless is no where near equivalent in any way.
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where did I say anything about the time being the same? I said it wasn't that much more work. All the steps are essentially the same except for the addition on sealant instead of a tube, and the use of a compressor or chamber instead of a floor pump. It was in the context of the OP being worried about the idea of tubeless, and my point was that it's not much harder to do and certainly easy enough to swap tires between different outings say the night before
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In looking deeper into a bike that is not just for the road, I have stumbled onto great looking 650b "all road" bikes. I like the idea of the CAADX, the geometry is intriguing and I really think it would be what I'm looking for. But.. would there be any way or reason I would want to put a 650b wheelset on it? Maybe as a second wheelset?
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When riding offroad bigger tyres are always better. Much more comfortable, you can run lower air pressures, and you won't bottom out the tyre as much.
At least this is my experience. Originally i've built a gravel/adventure/big tyre drop bar bike because the paved roads are horrible where I live and I basically wanted a comfortable road bike. But a month later I was riding more dirt than asphalt. Now I only ride on paved roads because sometimes it's the only way to get to the nice offroad segments.
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Thanks guys, this is all very helpful and you guys are helping answer questions I'm having a hard time finding answers to.
In looking deeper into a bike that is not just for the road, I have stumbled onto great looking 650b "all road" bikes. I like the idea of the CAADX, the geometry is intriguing and I really think it would be what I'm looking for. But.. would there be any way or reason I would want to put a 650b wheelset on it? Maybe as a second wheelset?
In looking deeper into a bike that is not just for the road, I have stumbled onto great looking 650b "all road" bikes. I like the idea of the CAADX, the geometry is intriguing and I really think it would be what I'm looking for. But.. would there be any way or reason I would want to put a 650b wheelset on it? Maybe as a second wheelset?
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Yeah, you are probably right. I think I have too much time to make a decision and it's causing me to look into so many options of what a new bike could be or what I might want it to do. Since there aren't really any sizes of CAADX around here left of 2018 I think I'll wait until the 2019's come out. It's been a month off the bike with moving/work/vacation etc that it will be good to get out on the road tomorrow and realize I don't live in the middle of the mountains with endless fire roads going everywhere (like the magazine's and bike companies would like me to believe).
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Yeah, you are probably right. I think I have too much time to make a decision and it's causing me to look into so many options of what a new bike could be or what I might want it to do. Since there aren't really any sizes of CAADX around here left of 2018 I think I'll wait until the 2019's come out. It's been a month off the bike with moving/work/vacation etc that it will be good to get out on the road tomorrow and realize I don't live in the middle of the mountains with endless fire roads going everywhere (like the magazine's and bike companies would like me to believe).
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I just looked at the Giant TCX SLR 2.. wow what a bike, and tire clearance. Giant might be taking my money.
I also forgot I had made this for a friend. A route in Paris that has some good dirt. Obviously if I were on top a cross bike I would have ridden through more dirt.
https://vimeo.com/268265951
I also forgot I had made this for a friend. A route in Paris that has some good dirt. Obviously if I were on top a cross bike I would have ridden through more dirt.
https://vimeo.com/268265951
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I just looked at the Giant TCX SLR 2.. wow what a bike, and tire clearance. Giant might be taking my money.
I also forgot I had made this for a friend. A route in Paris that has some good dirt. Obviously if I were on top a cross bike I would have ridden through more dirt.
https://vimeo.com/268265951
I also forgot I had made this for a friend. A route in Paris that has some good dirt. Obviously if I were on top a cross bike I would have ridden through more dirt.
https://vimeo.com/268265951
caadx for compliance with no performance loss.
by the way, the 2018 TCX SLR is a double, the 2019 is a 1x
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By compliance on the caadx would you say it's more fun to ride? Yes, the 2019 1x looks very appealing. I have never ridden a 1x and am curious of how the jumps in gears make a spending a lot of time on road feel. I assume you just get used to what you have available and it feels normal. Also just saw the funky break box attached to the end of the stem off the bars on the TCX.
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By compliance on the caadx would you say it's more fun to ride? Yes, the 2019 1x looks very appealing. I have never ridden a 1x and am curious of how the jumps in gears make a spending a lot of time on road feel. I assume you just get used to what you have available and it feels normal. Also just saw the funky break box attached to the end of the stem off the bars on the TCX.
I have 1 by on hybrid i like it.
the connect brake system, funky but it works. disadvantage proprietary stems. advantage normal hoods. but I am used to ultegra hydraulic hoods now.