Chinese/Taiwanese carbon frame DIY builders #3
04-16-20, 08:29 PM
#26
bike whisperer
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Melbourne, Oz
Posts: 9,537
Bikes: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=152015&p=1404231
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times
in
508 Posts
10 degree stems look just fine pointing down. It's what most bikes have.
__________________
Sheldon Brown's bike info ~~~ Park Tools repair help
Half-step triple, using double gear ~~~ 6400 STI rebuild walkthrough ~~~ Want 8/9/10s @126mm OLD? OCR. ~~~ Shimano cassette body overhaul ~~~ Ergopower Escape wear repair ~~~ PSA: drivetrain wear
List of US/Canada bike co-ops ~~~ Global list
Sheldon Brown's bike info ~~~ Park Tools repair help
Half-step triple, using double gear ~~~ 6400 STI rebuild walkthrough ~~~ Want 8/9/10s @126mm OLD? OCR. ~~~ Shimano cassette body overhaul ~~~ Ergopower Escape wear repair ~~~ PSA: drivetrain wear
List of US/Canada bike co-ops ~~~ Global list
04-17-20, 07:51 PM
#27
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Well thats exactly what I would expect to here from an Aussie being down under. LOL Of course it looks fine to you.
Seriously, I'll give it a flip this week end and post before and after pics to gather a consensus opinion. Stay tuned
Seriously, I'll give it a flip this week end and post before and after pics to gather a consensus opinion. Stay tuned
04-18-20, 09:46 PM
#28
bike whisperer
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Melbourne, Oz
Posts: 9,537
Bikes: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=152015&p=1404231
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 716 Times
in
508 Posts
Generally, folks are referring to the bar end of the stem when they say which way the stem points... Are you?
If not, well, it kinda blows aesthetically. Just ordered a 0 degree stem.
I think that's a 6 degree stem too
If not, well, it kinda blows aesthetically. Just ordered a 0 degree stem.
I think that's a 6 degree stem too
__________________
Sheldon Brown's bike info ~~~ Park Tools repair help
Half-step triple, using double gear ~~~ 6400 STI rebuild walkthrough ~~~ Want 8/9/10s @126mm OLD? OCR. ~~~ Shimano cassette body overhaul ~~~ Ergopower Escape wear repair ~~~ PSA: drivetrain wear
List of US/Canada bike co-ops ~~~ Global list
Sheldon Brown's bike info ~~~ Park Tools repair help
Half-step triple, using double gear ~~~ 6400 STI rebuild walkthrough ~~~ Want 8/9/10s @126mm OLD? OCR. ~~~ Shimano cassette body overhaul ~~~ Ergopower Escape wear repair ~~~ PSA: drivetrain wear
List of US/Canada bike co-ops ~~~ Global list
04-19-20, 08:30 AM
#29
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
With no spacers on fork steertube, you are limited to flipped one angle vs another in stem/handlebar height adjustment.
I usually leave at least 30-40mm of extra steertube to allow fine adjustments of stem/handlebar height.
Also, aesthetic may not be compatible with riding comfort or performance.
I adjust my riding position throughout the riding season, early in the season I'm less flexible, need more upright riding position.
As I ride more outdoors, get in better physical shape, more flexible, I adjust my stem/handlebar position accordingly.
Flip the stem or move steertube spacers from below the stem to above the stem.
I usually leave at least 30-40mm of extra steertube to allow fine adjustments of stem/handlebar height.
Also, aesthetic may not be compatible with riding comfort or performance.
I adjust my riding position throughout the riding season, early in the season I'm less flexible, need more upright riding position.
As I ride more outdoors, get in better physical shape, more flexible, I adjust my stem/handlebar position accordingly.
Flip the stem or move steertube spacers from below the stem to above the stem.
04-19-20, 08:09 PM
#30
Senior Member
Thread Starter
With no spacers on fork steertube, you are limited to flipped one angle vs another in stem/handlebar height adjustment.
I usually leave at least 30-40mm of extra steertube to allow fine adjustments of stem/handlebar height.
Also, aesthetic may not be compatible with riding comfort or performance.
I adjust my riding position throughout the riding season, early in the season I'm less flexible, need more upright riding position.
As I ride more outdoors, get in better physical shape, more flexible, I adjust my stem/handlebar position accordingly.
Flip the stem or move steertube spacers from below the stem to above the stem.
I usually leave at least 30-40mm of extra steertube to allow fine adjustments of stem/handlebar height.
Also, aesthetic may not be compatible with riding comfort or performance.
I adjust my riding position throughout the riding season, early in the season I'm less flexible, need more upright riding position.
As I ride more outdoors, get in better physical shape, more flexible, I adjust my stem/handlebar position accordingly.
Flip the stem or move steertube spacers from below the stem to above the stem.
04-20-20, 09:34 AM
#31
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
Thanks, the original frameset purchase (include frame, fork, seatpost, headset, bottom bracket & misc frame hardware) was something around $380 shipped from China, that was back in 2018 AUG or SEP.
I had a bunch of eBay rebates that allowed me to purchase the frameset for less than $200.
The eBay seller sent me the wrong size frame, I was fighting with seller for over a month to get partial refund to keep the wrong sized frame or full refund including return shipping cost.
Ultimately, eBay stepped in and gave me full refund. Since the refund was from eBay, not from the seller, I just kept the smaller sized frame and built it to a complete bike.
The one I finished building recently is the replacement frame from the eBay seller, sent to me free of charge for not leaving him a negative feedback.
Since I have a few sets of high end rim brake, road wheelsets, I just kept building these cheap Chinese carbon frames into complete bikes.
Normally, I would expect a complete built from these frames under $2k. Ride quality is excellent for recreational or century type road riding, but probably not stiff enough for club racing.
I'm 5'10", about 170 lb., not cranking out 700w in sprints if I can avoid it (I have other bikes for that type of riding). My purpose for these builds are just for fun, casual type riding.
Until I wear out the rim brake wheelsets that I already have, not likely that I will build a disc brake carbon road bike, since I already have a titanium disc road bike.
I had a bunch of eBay rebates that allowed me to purchase the frameset for less than $200.
The eBay seller sent me the wrong size frame, I was fighting with seller for over a month to get partial refund to keep the wrong sized frame or full refund including return shipping cost.
Ultimately, eBay stepped in and gave me full refund. Since the refund was from eBay, not from the seller, I just kept the smaller sized frame and built it to a complete bike.
The one I finished building recently is the replacement frame from the eBay seller, sent to me free of charge for not leaving him a negative feedback.
Since I have a few sets of high end rim brake, road wheelsets, I just kept building these cheap Chinese carbon frames into complete bikes.
Normally, I would expect a complete built from these frames under $2k. Ride quality is excellent for recreational or century type road riding, but probably not stiff enough for club racing.
I'm 5'10", about 170 lb., not cranking out 700w in sprints if I can avoid it (I have other bikes for that type of riding). My purpose for these builds are just for fun, casual type riding.
Until I wear out the rim brake wheelsets that I already have, not likely that I will build a disc brake carbon road bike, since I already have a titanium disc road bike.
Last edited by cat0020; 04-20-20 at 01:05 PM.
04-21-20, 08:19 AM
#32
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 15,480
Bikes: 2015 Workswell 066, 2017 Workswell 093, 2014 Dawes Sheila, 1983 Cannondale 500, 1984 Raleigh Olympian, 2007 Cannondale Rize 4, 2017 Fuji Sportif 1 LE
Mentioned: 144 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7648 Post(s)
Liked 3,465 Times
in
1,831 Posts
Likes For Maelochs:
04-21-20, 01:11 PM
#33
Senior Member
Thread Starter
04-21-20, 04:39 PM
#34
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
I bought that Lynskey (R240 I think) ti disc road frame for under $500 back in 2017, $80 carbon disc fork, $320 carbon disc wheelset, built with misc parts I have in my basement, sort of a zombie apocalypse, do-it-all road bike.
04-21-20, 08:22 PM
#35
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Yeah no chance I could get a TI disc frame for under &1k. When it was all said and done what I had priced out was close to $3k for a bike I would only use part time. I do so much enjoy building I just wish I had the funds to support it. Must be patient!
Likes For clubber:
04-22-20, 07:23 AM
#36
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
You gotta ask yourself, what does the T1 frame offer that a less expensive ti frame does not?
Do you really need to have that T1 vs a less expensive ti frame?
IME of owning/riding over 10 different titanium frames in the last 3 decades; there are very subtle difference in ride quality & performance between the most expensive ti vs less expensive ti frame.
But the desire for lightweight, minimal maintenance, no paint to chip or scratch, very little frame care is consistent between the high-end & less expensive ti frames.
BTW, the eBay carbon frameset that I got for free is still available, for $320, but only in 58cm size.. or whichever size the seller send to you. https://www.ebay.com/itm/123688344905
Do you really need to have that T1 vs a less expensive ti frame?
IME of owning/riding over 10 different titanium frames in the last 3 decades; there are very subtle difference in ride quality & performance between the most expensive ti vs less expensive ti frame.
But the desire for lightweight, minimal maintenance, no paint to chip or scratch, very little frame care is consistent between the high-end & less expensive ti frames.
BTW, the eBay carbon frameset that I got for free is still available, for $320, but only in 58cm size.. or whichever size the seller send to you. https://www.ebay.com/itm/123688344905
04-22-20, 10:46 AM
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 15,480
Bikes: 2015 Workswell 066, 2017 Workswell 093, 2014 Dawes Sheila, 1983 Cannondale 500, 1984 Raleigh Olympian, 2007 Cannondale Rize 4, 2017 Fuji Sportif 1 LE
Mentioned: 144 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7648 Post(s)
Liked 3,465 Times
in
1,831 Posts
Please .... my wife and I are on good terms today ... don't be telling me that stuff ......
Likes For Maelochs:
04-25-20, 08:58 AM
#38
Senior Member
Thread Starter
So today Im gonna move the spacers above the the stem to drop my bars down ever so slightly. After meeting with the bike fitter yesterday and getting my saddle back in place he suggested I go in search of a 165mm left crank arm so as to not over extend old "peggy". Anyone have a 165mm Ultegra left crank arm laying around collecting dust in the garage?
04-25-20, 01:30 PM
#39
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
Which year Ultegra?
I have 165mm FSA SLK carbon crankset avail.
I have 165mm FSA SLK carbon crankset avail.
04-25-20, 08:27 PM
#40
Senior Member
Thread Starter
When I built this bike back in the summer of 2016 I used an Ultegra 6800 11 Speed Groupset 170mm - 50.34t - 11-28 - SS - Grey. I have a leg length discrepancy of 1 and 3/4 inch on my left leg so Im going with a 165mm left crank arm with a 170mm crankset. That why Im looking for just a 165mm left crank arm. I do appreciate the offer though.
04-26-20, 02:45 PM
#41
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
I have both 170 & 165mm FSA SLK carbon cranksets avail.
04-26-20, 07:50 PM
#42
Senior Member
Thread Starter
tbh...as long as it will work with my https://wheelsmfg.com/bbrighttm-outb...nks-black.html bottom bracket Id be willing to give it a shot. PM me with perhaps a couple of pics and your asking price including shipping to 20164. Again I want to be clear I intend to use a 165mm left crank arm with a 170mm right side crank.
05-11-20, 09:41 AM
#43
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
Some progress with my Chinese TT bike project:
Let there be brakes:
Still trying to figure out a way to have a front derailleur shifter near the brake lever.. but may need to replace the current front brake lever and go with something like:
Let there be brakes:
Still trying to figure out a way to have a front derailleur shifter near the brake lever.. but may need to replace the current front brake lever and go with something like:
05-11-20, 04:40 PM
#44
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 15,480
Bikes: 2015 Workswell 066, 2017 Workswell 093, 2014 Dawes Sheila, 1983 Cannondale 500, 1984 Raleigh Olympian, 2007 Cannondale Rize 4, 2017 Fuji Sportif 1 LE
Mentioned: 144 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7648 Post(s)
Liked 3,465 Times
in
1,831 Posts
where would the shifters go normally?
05-11-20, 05:45 PM
#45
Newbie
Chinese Cervelo S5 copy.. replacement frameset from eBay seller that shipped me the wrong size frame back in 2018.
Frame, fork, seatpost, headset, bottom bracket all came as a package, I think I paid under $400 including shipping.
Complete bike with 10 speed Ultegra & cheap $300 Chinese carbon wheels... probably under $1.5k for the complete bike.
Front derailleur mounting plate came with round headed bolts that get in the way,
had to replace them with my own flat headed cleat bolts in order to allow front derailleur to shift into small ring.
That's mainly the problem with these Chinese vendors: when you need replacement parts like seatpost, mounting hardware/bolts, derailleur hanger, etc..
they are slow to respond and difficult to communicate to get the correct replacement parts.
Frame, fork, seatpost, headset, bottom bracket all came as a package, I think I paid under $400 including shipping.
Complete bike with 10 speed Ultegra & cheap $300 Chinese carbon wheels... probably under $1.5k for the complete bike.
Front derailleur mounting plate came with round headed bolts that get in the way,
had to replace them with my own flat headed cleat bolts in order to allow front derailleur to shift into small ring.
That's mainly the problem with these Chinese vendors: when you need replacement parts like seatpost, mounting hardware/bolts, derailleur hanger, etc..
they are slow to respond and difficult to communicate to get the correct replacement parts.
05-11-20, 07:18 PM
#46
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
05-12-20, 11:32 PM
#48
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 15,480
Bikes: 2015 Workswell 066, 2017 Workswell 093, 2014 Dawes Sheila, 1983 Cannondale 500, 1984 Raleigh Olympian, 2007 Cannondale Rize 4, 2017 Fuji Sportif 1 LE
Mentioned: 144 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7648 Post(s)
Liked 3,465 Times
in
1,831 Posts
I think i'd want my rear shifter on the aero bar at least .... but whatever works.
05-13-20, 02:04 AM
#49
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
Rear shifter is going to be the wireless xshifter.
Xshifter buttons will be at the clipon barend.
Just need to figure out where to put the shifter unit near the rear derailleur.
Xshifter buttons will be at the clipon barend.
Just need to figure out where to put the shifter unit near the rear derailleur.
Last edited by cat0020; 05-13-20 at 06:27 AM.
06-12-20, 03:21 PM
#50
Ride more, eat less
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,070
Bikes: Too many but never enough.
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 713 Post(s)
Liked 733 Times
in
450 Posts
Had a first test ride on the cheap Chinese TT bike build with Xshifter...
Remote wireless shifting works great, I really wanted to fit the cable pull unit inside the frame, but there isn't a large enough opening on the frame to insert the unit into the frame.
Finishing up with some adjustments after the test ride, will take it out tomorrow to get a decent ride in.
Remote wireless shifting works great, I really wanted to fit the cable pull unit inside the frame, but there isn't a large enough opening on the frame to insert the unit into the frame.
Finishing up with some adjustments after the test ride, will take it out tomorrow to get a decent ride in.
Last edited by cat0020; 06-26-20 at 02:16 PM.
Likes For cat0020:
