Can't remove non-driveside Stronglight crank
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Can't remove non-driveside Stronglight crank
I'm trying to move my cranks and bottom bracket over to a new frame. I've taken my driveside crank off a few times already, and that came off as expected. But the other crank is putting up a fight. When I start pushing with the extractor tool it slips out of the threading. Here's a video:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/d1A35cx8pjNAmuGA9
What can I do here? As I want to keep the crank, could I unscrew the BB now, leaving it on? Apologies if that question makes me sound like a moron, I haven't worked with bottom brackets before. I've already tried penetrating oil, doesn't seem to make a difference.
All pointers appreciated!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/d1A35cx8pjNAmuGA9
What can I do here? As I want to keep the crank, could I unscrew the BB now, leaving it on? Apologies if that question makes me sound like a moron, I haven't worked with bottom brackets before. I've already tried penetrating oil, doesn't seem to make a difference.
All pointers appreciated!
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I'm trying to move my cranks and bottom bracket over to a new frame. I've taken my driveside crank off a few times already, and that came off as expected. But the other crank is putting up a fight. When I start pushing with the extractor tool it slips out of the threading. Here's a video:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/d1A35cx8pjNAmuGA9
What can I do here? As I want to keep the crank, could I unscrew the BB now, leaving it on? Apologies if that question makes me sound like a moron, I haven't worked with bottom brackets before. I've already tried penetrating oil, doesn't seem to make a difference.
All pointers appreciated!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/d1A35cx8pjNAmuGA9
What can I do here? As I want to keep the crank, could I unscrew the BB now, leaving it on? Apologies if that question makes me sound like a moron, I haven't worked with bottom brackets before. I've already tried penetrating oil, doesn't seem to make a difference.
All pointers appreciated!
Inexperienced mechanics will try a 23 mm TA puller because it 'feels' like a good fit but that will strip the threads as well.
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Well it's stripped. Sometimes we forget to check if there's a washer in the crank and that will do it. I can't tell which Stronglight crank you have but early ones used a proprietary 23.35 puller. What size is your puller?
Inexperienced mechanics will try a 23 mm TA puller because it 'feels' like a good fit but that will strip the threads as well.
Inexperienced mechanics will try a 23 mm TA puller because it 'feels' like a good fit but that will strip the threads as well.
That tool has successfully taken the drive-side crank off several times, so I'd expect it to work here too. But I've done some research, and apparently you can remove the BB with the left hand crank attached. Sadly it seems my BB may be seized, as my hook spanner doesn't shift it when I turn it counter-clockwise.
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The Stronglight crank puller is larger in diameter than the one you have shown. I made this same mistake many years ago and, like you, ended up screwing up a crank.thread. Here is a Ebay auction number for the correct tool - 223975669464. I am pretty sure that you can find the same thing for a bit less, or a lot less, using your kungfugoogle skills. Hope that is helpful.
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The Stronglight crank puller is larger in diameter than the one you have shown. I made this same mistake many years ago and, like you, ended up screwing up a crank.thread. Here is a Ebay auction number for the correct tool - 223975669464. I am pretty sure that you can find the same thing for a bit less, or a lot less, using your kungfugoogle skills. Hope that is helpful.
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Once you have stripped the crank threads, it's effectively toast.
That said, yeah, you could salvage it, but IMHO only do this for your personal use. Even then I recommend against it.
It's possible to remove the BB with the left crank attached, sure. If the adjustable cup ring is stuck, it needs either more force, a better tool, some penetrating lubricant, or, if desperate, heat cycling.
This was sort of a transitional time for Stronglight. They had moved from proprietary 23.3 Stronglight puller threads, to standard 22.0. I wonder if some cranks were still being made with the old larger threads. If it turns out that this crank is stronglight threaded, that would explain the problem, and you may still be able to salvage it with the correct puller.
That said, yeah, you could salvage it, but IMHO only do this for your personal use. Even then I recommend against it.
It's possible to remove the BB with the left crank attached, sure. If the adjustable cup ring is stuck, it needs either more force, a better tool, some penetrating lubricant, or, if desperate, heat cycling.
This was sort of a transitional time for Stronglight. They had moved from proprietary 23.3 Stronglight puller threads, to standard 22.0. I wonder if some cranks were still being made with the old larger threads. If it turns out that this crank is stronglight threaded, that would explain the problem, and you may still be able to salvage it with the correct puller.
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Once you have stripped the crank threads, it's effectively toast.
That said, yeah, you could salvage it, but IMHO only do this for your personal use. Even then I recommend against it.
It's possible to remove the BB with the left crank attached, sure. If the adjustable cup ring is stuck, it needs either more force, a better tool, some penetrating lubricant, or, if desperate, heat cycling.
This was sort of a transitional time for Stronglight. They had moved from proprietary 23.3 Stronglight puller threads, to standard 22.0. I wonder if some cranks were still being made with the old larger threads. If it turns out that this crank is stronglight threaded, that would explain the problem, and you may still be able to salvage it with the correct puller.
That said, yeah, you could salvage it, but IMHO only do this for your personal use. Even then I recommend against it.
It's possible to remove the BB with the left crank attached, sure. If the adjustable cup ring is stuck, it needs either more force, a better tool, some penetrating lubricant, or, if desperate, heat cycling.
This was sort of a transitional time for Stronglight. They had moved from proprietary 23.3 Stronglight puller threads, to standard 22.0. I wonder if some cranks were still being made with the old larger threads. If it turns out that this crank is stronglight threaded, that would explain the problem, and you may still be able to salvage it with the correct puller.
There was rust in the threading area. Maybe the dirt and detritus is to blame.
I don't mind having to buy a new bb. I'm also not allergic to moving the bb over to the new frame with the crank permenantly attached. But I'd love to not have to buy a new crankset! So if both are stuck that's a worst case scenario. I think I might need a better tool. The hook spanner I have is a bit bargain bucket.
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Pull the left side of the bb off, set it up in a vice, and drive the axle out with a punch. You'll have to hit it hard enough that you don't want your toes where the axle will land.
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Better alternative is Jacob's chuck wedges. I forget which exact size at the moment.
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You asked about leaving crank attached and moving across to another bike.
Watched fellow do it at the co-op. He removed N drive side crank bolt and crank and locking ring and cup. Slide in D side wrench and loosened cup. He removed cup with spindle attached to crank with chain wheels still on. Out came old bearings, re-greased and new bearings. Removed frame from stand and installed 2nd frame. Installed D side then N drive side. He adjusted both side cups fine. I don't think he was 10 minutes total. I waited and after asked why? Said allen key hole on dust cap on D side was stripped and he wanted to save it.
Not what I'd do as not confident I wouldn't screw it completely but he seemed ok with it.
Watched fellow do it at the co-op. He removed N drive side crank bolt and crank and locking ring and cup. Slide in D side wrench and loosened cup. He removed cup with spindle attached to crank with chain wheels still on. Out came old bearings, re-greased and new bearings. Removed frame from stand and installed 2nd frame. Installed D side then N drive side. He adjusted both side cups fine. I don't think he was 10 minutes total. I waited and after asked why? Said allen key hole on dust cap on D side was stripped and he wanted to save it.
Not what I'd do as not confident I wouldn't screw it completely but he seemed ok with it.
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You asked about leaving crank attached and moving across to another bike.
Watched fellow do it at the co-op. He removed N drive side crank bolt and crank and locking ring and cup. Slide in D side wrench and loosened cup. He removed cup with spindle attached to crank with chain wheels still on. Out came old bearings, re-greased and new bearings. Removed frame from stand and installed 2nd frame. Installed D side then N drive side. He adjusted both side cups fine. I don't think he was 10 minutes total. I waited and after asked why? Said allen key hole on dust cap on D side was stripped and he wanted to save it.
Not what I'd do as not confident I wouldn't screw it completely but he seemed ok with it.
Watched fellow do it at the co-op. He removed N drive side crank bolt and crank and locking ring and cup. Slide in D side wrench and loosened cup. He removed cup with spindle attached to crank with chain wheels still on. Out came old bearings, re-greased and new bearings. Removed frame from stand and installed 2nd frame. Installed D side then N drive side. He adjusted both side cups fine. I don't think he was 10 minutes total. I waited and after asked why? Said allen key hole on dust cap on D side was stripped and he wanted to save it.
Not what I'd do as not confident I wouldn't screw it completely but he seemed ok with it.
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I found this cheap pickle fork available at the local auto parts outlet:
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7...iABEgJW1_D_BwE
Usually the crankarm threads get stripped because the remover wasn't threaded in all the way because of dirt/corrosion.
The subject crank is 22mm threaded so your puller is correct.
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Well some googling suggests that Stronglight moved away from the 23.35mm design in 1982. Although I can't find anything about the 300lx, everything else on the bike (including the frame) was released in or around '87. I would have thought these cranks were using the standardised threading.
There was rust in the threading area. Maybe the dirt and detritus is to blame.
I don't mind having to buy a new bb. I'm also not allergic to moving the bb over to the new frame with the crank permenantly attached. But I'd love to not have to buy a new crankset! So if both are stuck that's a worst case scenario. I think I might need a better tool. The hook spanner I have is a bit bargain bucket.
There was rust in the threading area. Maybe the dirt and detritus is to blame.
I don't mind having to buy a new bb. I'm also not allergic to moving the bb over to the new frame with the crank permenantly attached. But I'd love to not have to buy a new crankset! So if both are stuck that's a worst case scenario. I think I might need a better tool. The hook spanner I have is a bit bargain bucket.
If there was dirt and detritus in the threads, yes that's a problem. Clean it out first. Also, the puller should be snugged in fairly hard. Finger tight is not enough.
Personally I'd write this one off. But it's up to you.
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Pickle forks are great if you don't care about damage.
And heat can be used too, but away from the bike.
I agree that the nds arm should only be used for your own bike. There would have to be special circumstance to use it at all.
One last thing, that puller looks super cheap. Good ones may be found under $10us, but this is not a tool where you want to skimp.
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Thanks for all the help guys, grateful for the wealth of information. Assuming nothing works and this crank arm is lost, I could just replace the arm (and BB) rather than find a new crankset. In an ideal world I'd get another Stronglight 300lx arm. But failing that, would anyone see any issues with this arm working as a stand-in: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124230618677
Here are the technical details on my currently stuck arm:
Again, new to this, so if I've overlooked something obvious then shout.
Thanks!
Here are the technical details on my currently stuck arm:
Again, new to this, so if I've overlooked something obvious then shout.
Thanks!
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Current arm appears to have French pedal threads - according to the markings. Ebay arm appears to be standard BSC pedal threads.
Secondly, DANG!!!! If those crank arms have never been rethreaded, then you have the elusive rare French thread Look pedals. Wow. I would have love to found some of those a few years back.
Also a possibility is that someone retapped the crankarms to 9/16". Are the pedals marked D and G or R and L?
Secondly, DANG!!!! If those crank arms have never been rethreaded, then you have the elusive rare French thread Look pedals. Wow. I would have love to found some of those a few years back.
Also a possibility is that someone retapped the crankarms to 9/16". Are the pedals marked D and G or R and L?
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Thanks. After having used the wrong extractor did the correct one work for you? Or is mine likely toast?
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A friend of mine had a stuck crankarm with stripped extractor threads. I took two headset wrenches, two old wood working chisels and a mallet to his place. Put the two headset wrenches behind the crankarm, place a chisel on either side of the spindle and between the headset wrenches, tapped each chisle in turn and the crankarm popped right off with no damage to anything.
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Current arm appears to have French pedal threads - according to the markings. Ebay arm appears to be standard BSC pedal threads.
Secondly, DANG!!!! If those crank arms have never been rethreaded, then you have the elusive rare French thread Look pedals. Wow. I would have love to found some of those a few years back.
Also a possibility is that someone retapped the crankarms to 9/16". Are the pedals marked D and G or R and L?
Secondly, DANG!!!! If those crank arms have never been rethreaded, then you have the elusive rare French thread Look pedals. Wow. I would have love to found some of those a few years back.
Also a possibility is that someone retapped the crankarms to 9/16". Are the pedals marked D and G or R and L?
No left or right markings on either of them in any language, it could be that I'm not looking in the right place, or they're just too worn.
Given the pedals have to stay put too its now looking like I should leave this crankset on this frame. I've been thinking of converting this frame to something more off-road anyway, so a triple crankset is really more suited to that.
The new frame, however, will be my long distance/adventure bike. Does anyone have any recommendations on a crankset? I don't know if I should be looking for a particular BCD or manufacturer. The freewheel that it will go with is a Sachs Maillard Aris 7 speed 13-21T. I'd like to sort out gearing that lets me go fast on flats and slight declines and zoom up 12% inclines at least. Is that possible with a double chain ring setup?
Here are a few I've found so far:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324202740152
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224047478580
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174320194794
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303602482324
I'll be installing a new BB, so can get the appropriate model for whatever cranks are best. Seller says that "any BSA threaded bottom bracket will work", frame is a Vitus 787.
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...if you are really attached to that crank set (and who does not love Stronglight cranks ?), you can buy one of these or look around for someone close to you who has one. I have one, but they don't work except in person. It's a solid tool, like everything Stein makes and sells. It's paid off for me, but I used to work at the co-op, where people regularly stripped nice cranks. I got tired of throwing them away.
...if you are really attached to that crank set (and who does not love Stronglight cranks ?), you can buy one of these or look around for someone close to you who has one. I have one, but they don't work except in person. It's a solid tool, like everything Stein makes and sells. It's paid off for me, but I used to work at the co-op, where people regularly stripped nice cranks. I got tired of throwing them away.
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Oh, you mean these elusive Look pedals? 😉
No left or right markings on either of them in any language, it could be that I'm not looking in the right place, or they're just too worn.
Given the pedals have to stay put too its now looking like I should leave this crankset on this frame. I've been thinking of converting this frame to something more off-road anyway, so a triple crankset is really more suited to that.
I'll be installing a new BB, so can get the appropriate model for whatever cranks are best. Seller says that "any BSA threaded bottom bracket will work", frame is a Vitus 787.
No left or right markings on either of them in any language, it could be that I'm not looking in the right place, or they're just too worn.
Given the pedals have to stay put too its now looking like I should leave this crankset on this frame. I've been thinking of converting this frame to something more off-road anyway, so a triple crankset is really more suited to that.
I'll be installing a new BB, so can get the appropriate model for whatever cranks are best. Seller says that "any BSA threaded bottom bracket will work", frame is a Vitus 787.
Yes, possibly. Those are first generation Look pedals, and they could be French threaded. The marking is usually on the spindle itself, not the pedal body. If you remove them from the crank arms, you can see if a standard pedal screws in. If it only goes in a couple threads and feels really tight, they are still French threaded. If they have been converted/re-tapped to standard/BSC(9/16"), then that single 200LX crankarm on ebay should work. You can also use a micrometer to measure. 14mm is .551" vs 9/16" which is .5625" in decimal.
If your Look pedals are French threaded, they may not exactly be valuable, but they are rather rare. I bet there's a forum member out there with an old French bike that they want to ride with actual cycling shoes who would love to have them. Maybe trade them with someone.
RE your bottom bracket, Vitus frames can be either French threaded or British(standard). Later ones are typically British. Since you have French threaded cranks, I'd guess your BB shell is French also. It should be marked on the bottom bracket cups. 35x1 means French. Find that out first before you buy any new BB or crank.
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Yes, possibly. Those are first generation Look pedals, and they could be French threaded. The marking is usually on the spindle itself, not the pedal body. If you remove them from the crank arms, you can see if a standard pedal screws in. If it only goes in a couple threads and feels really tight, they are still French threaded. If they have been converted/re-tapped to standard/BSC(9/16"), then that single 200LX crankarm on ebay should work. You can also use a micrometer to measure. 14mm is .551" vs 9/16" which is .5625" in decimal.
If your Look pedals are French threaded, they may not exactly be valuable, but they are rather rare. I bet there's a forum member out there with an old French bike that they want to ride with actual cycling shoes who would love to have them. Maybe trade them with someone.
RE your bottom bracket, Vitus frames can be either French threaded or British(standard). Later ones are typically British. Since you have French threaded cranks, I'd guess your BB shell is French also. It should be marked on the bottom bracket cups. 35x1 means French. Find that out first before you buy any new BB or crank.
If your Look pedals are French threaded, they may not exactly be valuable, but they are rather rare. I bet there's a forum member out there with an old French bike that they want to ride with actual cycling shoes who would love to have them. Maybe trade them with someone.
RE your bottom bracket, Vitus frames can be either French threaded or British(standard). Later ones are typically British. Since you have French threaded cranks, I'd guess your BB shell is French also. It should be marked on the bottom bracket cups. 35x1 means French. Find that out first before you buy any new BB or crank.
I'm thinking it needs to be new cranks at this point, I can find a use for these cranks on this bike. Just need to find a 7 speed 52/39 crankset that's as period correct as possible. Or use an 8, 9 or 10 speed chain on my 7 speed freewheel if I can't get a 7 speed crankset.