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Old 05-26-20, 05:36 PM
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Completing a CRASH INTERUPTED RIDE

Shaking off the trauma of a crash and getting "back in (on) the saddle" has always been a priority of mine to the extent of completing the "CRASH RIDE" after healing. In April 2011 I had my first MAJOR CRASH at mile 72 of 100 resulting in wearing a neck collar (luckily not a HALO) for 16 weeks - 24/7 before being allowed any form of exercise other than walking. After regaining strength I made it a point to go for a 100 miler with an effort to pass the crash site at mile 72 and then complete the 100. MAYBE STUPID BUT GRATIFYING.

April 27 last month (4 weeks ago yesterday) I was again out for a 100 mile Midnight Madness ride. At mile 33 of the first segment I was hit by a wild pig and crashed. This time my ortho cleared me to ride as soon as I felt comfortable so I managed a short ride 8 days after cracking my left scapula, cracking rib 5 and 6 left side and puncturing my lung. Completing a few more rides and building strength up I went out YESTERDAY riding the crash ride in reverse passing my ENCOUNTER SITE exactly at the distance it took me to ride home the morning of the crash. STUPID or OCD or whatever it was something I am simply wired to do. Not yet able to ride the 100 miles I had planned to ride last month I only rode enough to complete the total distance my crash ride was (37) plus the bit extra to the "turn around point" I was heading for when the crash happened. Don't expect to be at 90%+ until my 70th birthday in July so my goal is to ride the crash ride starting at the same time I did in April (11:40PM) and pass the site at mile 33 then continue my BIRTHDAY RIDE of 2 times age + 1 for good measure.

Any fellow cyclists this ANAL RETENTIVE with a "need to complete syndrome?"

BTW, the pot handles all point in the same direction in kitchen cabinets. or maybe is more appropriate
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Old 05-26-20, 06:16 PM
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You a tough sonofagun. You get to point your pot handles anywhere you want them to be.

And yeah, I'd have to get back on that horse too.
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I've never had a crash that took me out or made my bike unrideable. I always thought that a little blood looked cool. Hope my luck holds. I don't ride at night. Not pigs here, but possums, raccoons, and deer are common road kills.
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Yikes. Yeah, I'm another hard-headed get back on the horse what threw me kinda guy too. Gotta get past that superstitious ritual of conquering the obstacle.
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Some of you have read this more times than you'd like, so apologies in advance if it's old. On July 24, 2013 I crashed my bike and broke my neck. A long story but after 8 days in hospital and two 5 hr. operations, I came home on August 1st. I had C1 & C2 fused....chipped front teeth...stitches on upper and lower lips where the teeth went through...nose sutured and straightened...a couple other cervical fractures. In a neck brace of course. In the beginning of November I was back on the bike. My first ride was a spirited group rail-trail ride. I actually rode well. Been riding road (mostly) since. I will be 74 this June. I'd be doing just what you're doing and anyone who has seen my house, garage or workshop knows I am far from OCD. Rock on.
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crash sites are important milestones. going back is probably a mental way to move on & as-if to conquer it. I’ll spare us my family & extended family examples of the same, not limited to cycling. here’s hoping your crashes are behind you with none on the horizon. how are those ribs & scapula feeling?
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
.............................. how are those ribs & scapula feeling?
Known injuries are healing and I'm doing well; HOWEVER, something is wrong with left shoulder joint so next Monday it's back to ortho for x-rays and diagnosis.

JUST got ER bill yesterday for my 2 hour visit = $74,188.38
Awaiting ambulance ride bill and Trauma Center bill.
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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
Known injuries are healing and I'm doing well; HOWEVER, something is wrong with left shoulder joint so next Monday it's back to ortho for x-rays and diagnosis.

JUST got ER bill yesterday for my 2 hour visit = $74,188.38
Awaiting ambulance ride bill and Trauma Center bill.
yikes, good luck w everything!
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Completing a CRASH INTERUPTED RIDE
Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
Shaking off the trauma of a crash and getting "back in (on) the saddle" has always been a priority of mine to the extent of completing the "CRASH RIDE" after healing. In April 2011 I had my first MAJOR CRASH at mile 72 of 100 resulting in wearing a neck collar (luckily not a HALO) for 16 weeks - 24/7 before being allowed any form of exercise other than walking. After regaining strength I made it a point to go for a 100 miler with an effort to pass the crash site at mile 72 and then complete the 100. MAYBE STUPID BUT GRATIFYING.

April 27 last month (4 weeks ago yesterday) I was again out for a 100 mile Midnight Madness ride. At mile 33 of the first segment I was hit by a wild pig and crashed. This time my ortho cleared me to ride as soon as I felt comfortable so I managed a short ride 8 days after cracking my left scapula, cracking rib 5 and 6 left side and puncturing my lung.

Completing a few more rides and building strength up I went out YESTERDAY riding the crash ride in reverse passing my ENCOUNTER SITE exactly at the distance it took me to ride home the morning of the crash. STUPID or OCD or whatever it was something I am simply wired to do. Not yet able to ride the 100 miles I had planned to ride last month I only rode enough to complete the total distance my crash ride was (37) plus the bit extra to the "turn around point"

Any fellow cyclists this ANAL RETENTIVE with a "need to complete syndrome?"


BTW, the pot handles all point in the same direction in kitchen cabinets. or maybe is more appropriate
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
crash sites are important milestones. going back is probably a mental way to move on & as-if to conquer it. I’ll spare us my family & extended family examples of the same, not limited to cycling.

here’s hoping your crashes are behind you with none on the horizon. how are those ribs & scapula feeling?
I had a somewhat converse experience on an organized ride touted as a Century (The Third Annual Fifty-Plus Forum Ride held with the OneHelluvaRide in Michigan in 2011), but when I reached the finish line, I had only about 90 miles:
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…My worst miles are routinely 40 to 60, and the route became challenging after the 60 mile lunch stop. That was a festive gathering for all the routes, including a band with broad musical appeal. The latter half of the ride was on wider and busier roads, though acceptable, but there was little shade.

It was in the 90’s with incessant sun, the slight but noticeable head wind as described by Blazing Pedals, and hillier as described by Road Fan. Over the last 50 miles I applied sunscreen three times and got three hosings at the stops. I had a surprisingly good pace for a few miles at 75 miles, even pulling for an apparent roadie, but around mile 84, I had to sit in the shade and pour water over myself to cool. At the last rest stop I found I was 10 miles behind the scheduled century distance.

I arrived back at the start with 90 miles so I decided to complete the century. I went down a busy treeless road for a couple miles, but turned back and rode into Chelsea to take a picture of their landmark clocktower. Soon afterwards I had my crash at 94 miles.


I was immediately assisted by some bystanders who claimed I was KO’ed for a bit, and the ambulance and police soon arrived. The upshot was spending from about 4:00 to 8:30 PM in the Emergency Room, with abrasions on my arms, knees, and a couple ugly ones on my face; and a gash about 1 inch long requiring 18 stitches to close. But not to worry, I’m OK, though I haven’t checked out the bike.

Wha’ happened? I was riding about 5 mph on the main street, and on that road surface were these strips of tar, the policeman called “tar seams,” apparently a cheap fix for cracks. In the 90 degree heat they became soft and sticky and grabbed my tire, and since I was going slowly, one pulled me down. The officer said that they had also received complaints from motorcyclists about these tar seams.


I think my brand new eyeglasses made the gash. Ironically, since I had a corneal abrasion a few weeks ago I have been wearing goggles over my eyeglasses and I have to wonder if the goggles pushed the eyeglasses into my face. The frames were pretty damaged and unwearable though I had a spare pair in the car. Everybody was very nice and professional and I could take the episode in stride, but…

That night was a high school reunion from about 7:30 to 11:30 PM back in the Detroit area, about 60 miles away. The gracious police picked me up from the hospital, took me back to my car sitting forlornly in the lot by itself and then back to the police station to pick up my bike. So I left Chelsea at about 9:00 PM and hustled back to my mother’s house, in my smelly blood-stained cycling clothes.


At about 20 miles from home the empty gas tank light went on, assuring me of 70 miles to empty. I got to her house around 10:15, and cleaned up quickly. I always carry 3’ x 4’ band aids for abrasions, so I put it over the wounds (over my right forehead-temple-eyesocket-cheek area); think Phantom of the Opera.

I arrived at the reunion about 11:00 PM.

I didn’t take many photos, and none on the road, but here’s a sample; note the tar seams on the street in the picture of the clocktower:


This was not as serious as described by @OldTryGuy, but was one of my more serious crashes.

In 2012, I was hit from behind with six weeks in acute and rehab hospitals, three months off work, and five months off the bike,
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Back in June 2012 I was hit from behind, and the driver turned himself in the next day.My beautiful Bridgestone RB-1 was totaled so my winter commuting was on my heavy mountain bike, until April when I bought a carbon fiber road bike.

I have posted, my main injury besides a few minor broken bones was a fractured sacrum. Weight bearing activities such as walking a distance and prolonged sitting are uncomfortable, but fortunately sitting on the bike seat is OK, even for a few hours. I also lost some gluteal muscle due to a soft tissue injury and had a draining wound that made me dependent on someone to change my dressing until October.


During that summer, I found writing to Bike Forums kept my spirits up.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
During my hospitalization I was wistful as I took a few ambulance rides along my usual commuting route, during some of the nicest June riding days in memory.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
"Do you really enjoy riding a bike?"

I describe my riding experience similarly, as a cycling lifestyle (of 40 years). Ionce listed as my credentials: a carbon fiber bike, year-round cycle-commuting, a cross-country tour, and a serious car-bike accident..
I’m also OCD in my professional writing and even in Bike Forum posting.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Indeed, I’m so persnickety and egocentric that I even edit posts from months to years old to satisfy my own aesthetic.
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I’m also OCD in my professional writing even in Bike Forum posting...
Speaking of OCD, a colleague of mine and I were discussing our mutual professional reports and he cited this adage, “Don’t let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good.” I replied that the nuns in parochial school used to say, “Good, better, best; never let them rest; until your good is better, and your better best.”

He answered,”Well I’m Jewish, and never encountered nuns.”

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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
Known injuries are healing and I'm doing well; HOWEVER, something is wrong with left shoulder joint so next Monday it's back to ortho for x-rays and diagnosis.

JUST got ER bill yesterday for my 2 hour visit = $74,188.38
Awaiting ambulance ride bill and Trauma Center bill.
I'm sure you have adequate medical insurance so I suspect you have coverage.

We rolled the dice on my wife who was 60 and we dropped traditional medical coverage. I just couldn't see paying $12,000 a year for 5 years and she had a good health history and track record. Of course she tripped and fell hiking breaking and dislocating her shoulder a couple months later!?!? I did learn that if you are self pay, medical groups will reduce your out of pocket expense by about 40-50%. Her hospital stay and multiple surgeries cost about he same as yours but our out of pocket expense was around 50% of the total. All you had to do was ask for the self pay cost.

I'm only OCD in certain areas!!
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Saddened reading about costs when little or no insurance is available to help with bills.

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I'm sure you have adequate medical insurance so I suspect you have coverage.............................
Thanks to my cancer I opted for the better Medicare Sup. so we have coverage.
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
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Speaking of OCD, a colleague of mine and I were discussing our mutual professional reports and he cited this adage, “Don’t let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good.” I replied that the nuns in parochial school used to say, “Good, better, best; never let them rest; until your good is better, and your better best.”

He answered,”Well I’m Jewish, and never encountered nuns.”
I ONLY had nuns in Kindergarten because parents sent sister and me to Public School. Turns out that in that First Grade I met a girl that I went all through school with to H.S. Graduation rarely talking to her but 4 years after graduation we met again and in 5 days it will be our 47th Anniversary.
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I would recommend getting off and walking that stretch next time.
and remember when putting that little walmart ice chest on your head ~15% of moto head injuries are facial and brain bleeds are more common when you get older
? $75 K for what you had? I don't think you have gotten all the bills yet. Surprise billing is their new sport.
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Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
Saddened reading about costs when little or no insurance is available to help with bills.



Thanks to my cancer I opted for the better Medicare Sup. so we have coverage.
The American for profit medical system and reluctance to go to Medicare for All is a disgrace. Glad you have Medicare.
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Originally Posted by bikebikebike
I would recommend getting off and walking that stretch next time.
and remember when putting that little walmart ice chest on your head ~15% of moto head injuries are facial and brain bleeds are more common when you get older
? $75 K for what you had? I don't think you have gotten all the bills yet. Surprise billing is their new sport.
Bill received was for the 2 hour visit at the ER and still waiting for the 55 mile ambulance ride to the Trauma Hospital AND the Trauma Hos. bill for my 2.5 day visit.

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Be prepared for more than one bill from the Trauma Hospital. Modern Medical Management loves to have each department bill you separately, so you get one bill from the Hospital, one from the Blood Test lab, one from the Radiation (x-ray, cat-scan, mri, etc.) lab, and one from any surgical procedure performed. And these bills will dribble into your mailbox over a period of months. And some of them should come complete with a voice recording of Gomer Pyle saying "Surprise, surprise, SURPRISE!!!" I've also discovered that talking to the staff on-site about this is less than useless, since it seems that the medical and financial arms are totally divorced from each other, and you only know what the real damage is when the bill arrives in the mail. You can probably tell that I'm a bit weary of dealing with the Medical Establishment at the moment.

Some hospitals (or rather medical groups who control various hospitals and medical services under one umbrella group) are better about billing than others, so here's hoping you were with one of the good ones.
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OTG, I can't imagine what your pain threshold is. I trust you're enjoying yourself - that makes it worthwhile, eh?

All you had to do was ask for the self pay cost.
Next time, ask for the price that the big insurers pay.

I think comparing the impact of C-19 on the finances of medical providers and consumers in the US to those in Europe would be instructive to all but the most ideological of us. I'll be especially interested in data on bankruptcies.That's economics and finance, not politics, BTW.
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Wow. Glad you're on the mend. Those were a couple of tough ones! My recent example was nowhere near your experiences, but I had to ride a short 3 miles home after a crash on Saturday. Luckily, no head strike, and I hit the ground in the grass and weeds along a greenbelt. I had to pick some goat-head thorns out of my shoulder and hip, but it could have been much worse. I was glad I started riding home soon after before the soreness kicked in. I was able to ride the next day, and it took about 10 miles before I started feeling decent.

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No. I do not need to complete. But after my biggie; the fork breaking when I landed a bunny hop over a construction ditch with poor pavement, I bunny hopped that same place all the next season. (It was my regular training route.) No memories at all. (Comas have their advantages.)

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I don't go back to pursue the ride, but I don't.avoid where I had the accident either. I do adjust my riding to avoid the crash situation. I'm not sure what you could do about wild pigs...eat more pork?
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I was in a hit-and-run a couple of months ago. I got a nasty abrasion plus a couple extra cuts on one leg and the heel of one palm was very sore. The bike was rideable. After giving the report to the police I rode home figuring it wasn't as bad as half the crashes I've seen in the Tour de France. I've ridden every day since and went out a week after the crash to finish the ride I was on.

Now the one time I haven't gone back to finish a 2-wheeled ride was when I crashed out of the 2006 Baja 1000 and broke some ribs. I'd have to go over 2000 miles from Minneapolis just to get to where it happened!
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I like to get a 100km ride in within the first few days of every month. Two years ago, I wiped out in a patch of wet silt around the 30km mark. Finished the ride, complete with shredded arm warmer. This past Friday, I did a decent recreation of 2018 and wiped out on water-soaked crack patch (what I call tar snakes) about 3 miles from home. Finished that ride. Took Saturday off, have ridden the past three days in a row, including a trip to the LBS to replace the helmet that now had two crashes under its belt. The hip is worse today than when it happened. I don't recommend.
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I broke my neck on a fast twisty descent last October, just about a mile from my house. I was cleared to ride in early February. I knew I'd get back there eventually, but I've not been a hurry. Just two days ago I climbed up that butte for the first time, turned around, and rode down. Past the guardrail that ripped my leg open, past the place where I climbed back up from the ravine, past the place where I met my wife afterward for a trip to the hospital.

It was fine.
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Got back on the Giant today for the first time since my Miss Piggy crash. While I really enjoy the Roubaix the Giant reminds me of the drive in my 1968 GT350 Shelby. Got 101 miles in today and that would not have happened on the Roubaix.
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