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In reading back, now I don't get whether these indirect inferences are to be taken seriously or just plain sarcasm.
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I'm concerned with what happens with the e-bikes I've seen coming up fast in the bike lane that have a huge SUV make a right hand turn in front of them. Somebody is going to kill an E-cyclist and they will get manslaughter charges but essentially the E-bike was illegally passing on the right and approaching at a speed the motorist doesn't expect.
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I believe that any vehicle that operates under its own power (not "pedal assist") must be DOT (lights, brakes etc). You just don't have to get a "motorcycle" license endorsement under 50 cc.
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Here's a post about e-bikes and what is wrong with them.
E-bikes are bicycles with an electric motor. Sometimes they break or run out of power, then they are just exceptionally heavy bicycles. If the motor is of sufficient power, they can reach speeds and carry loads that render their use on a MUP dangerous.
E-bikes are bicycles with an electric motor. Sometimes they break or run out of power, then they are just exceptionally heavy bicycles. If the motor is of sufficient power, they can reach speeds and carry loads that render their use on a MUP dangerous.
Didn't you accuse me of the arrogance of personal viewpoints applied generally? I haven't seen many e-bikes limping home under pedal power. Nor have I seen many e-bikes terrorizing MUP's. Seems like most e-bike riders know better than to take them on MUP's or off-road unless they are designed for that purpose. I guess you don't like e-bikes. <shrug> I doubt the people (more and more everyday) care what you think about it.
And no, I don't even know what "the arrogance of personal viewpoints applied generally" is supposed to mean. I said you were arrogant when you told me how I'd feel about a prison sentence if a loved one of mine was hit by a truck, a rhetorical ploy that is odious on multiple levels.
Now you're speaking for "the people (more and more everyday)" ?! Your buffoonish tantrums are hilarious!
And just to be clear, I have seen two incidents of clearly overpowered/very heavy ebikes on one of the busiest MUPs in the nation. I've also seen hundreds of normally powered ones there. Please note that I have never complained about the normal ones.
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No, I'm pretty sure that's not the point. But even if it is it was made badly. High powered motor vehicles don't get a license pass simply because you attach pedals to them.
In reading back, now I don't get whether these indirect inferences are to be taken seriously or just plain sarcasm.
In reading back, now I don't get whether these indirect inferences are to be taken seriously or just plain sarcasm.
The point is that if you don't need a license, a dui bust doesn't prevent you from going out and riding the bike the day after your conviction, while driving on the suspended license is a crime. If the law allows too much power on unlicensed ebikes, obviously it could become a dui suspension loophole.
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on 4 wheels (or 3) there is no balance, all they need to do is throttle it.
where as on 2 wheels, they are sooner to crash and hurt themselves, before they get far enough to hurt someone else. If they don't loose balance, then it stands to reason they are probably capable. Minus running stop signs. Which I look left and right anyways, even if I have the right away because I don't even have faith in sober people operating machines.
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I actually don't care about drunks on bicycle, e-bikes, or motorcycles.
on 4 wheels (or 3) there is no balance, all they need to do is throttle it.
where as on 2 wheels, they are sooner to crash and hurt themselves, before they get far enough to hurt someone else. If they don't loose balance, then it stands to reason they are probably capable. Minus running stop signs. Which I look left and right anyways, even if I have the right away because I don't even have faith in sober people operating machines.
on 4 wheels (or 3) there is no balance, all they need to do is throttle it.
where as on 2 wheels, they are sooner to crash and hurt themselves, before they get far enough to hurt someone else. If they don't loose balance, then it stands to reason they are probably capable. Minus running stop signs. Which I look left and right anyways, even if I have the right away because I don't even have faith in sober people operating machines.
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So either the people that can afford a 3-5 thousand dollar pedal assist bicycle are too smart to drink/ride, or people that are drunk enough to harm people are too drunk to ride on 2 wheels.
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As of now.... I can't seem to find a pedal assist E-bike Drunk accident that harmed someone in the news. Unlike 4 wheel car drunk drivers.
So either the people that can afford a 3-5 thousand dollar pedal assist bicycle are too smart to drink/ride, or people that are drunk enough to harm people are too drunk to ride on 2 wheels.
So either the people that can afford a 3-5 thousand dollar pedal assist bicycle are too smart to drink/ride, or people that are drunk enough to harm people are too drunk to ride on 2 wheels.
It's certainly possible to kill someone on a motorcycle by riding drunk--see https://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...-7/3976342002/
I think having pedal assist up to 20 mph probably doesn't increase the risk to the public caused by drunk riding to anything especially significant, but there's no doubt the higher the MPH, the bigger the threat.
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A friend of mine just had a very interesting experience where a junkie on a bike somehow managed to pass out under her moving car. He was unhurt, but his bike was a little damaged. A cop witnessed the whole thing, and let the disoriented fellow just ride off, which he was very anxious to do. He really had no idea why everyone was suddenly talking to him and what had just happened (no, he didn't hit his head). No report was taken and my friend was very puzzled by the whole incident when the cop told her to just leave the scene. I think that's a pretty good example of how seriously cops take BUI.
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Well, I can't argue with that.
A friend of mine just had a very interesting experience where a junkie on a bike somehow managed to pass out under her moving car. He was unhurt, but his bike was a little damaged. A cop witnessed the whole thing, and let the disoriented fellow just ride off, which he was very anxious to do. He really had no idea why everyone was suddenly talking to him and what had just happened (no, he didn't hit his head). No report was taken and my friend was very puzzled by the whole incident when the cop told her to just leave the scene. I think that's a pretty good example of how seriously cops take BUI.
A friend of mine just had a very interesting experience where a junkie on a bike somehow managed to pass out under her moving car. He was unhurt, but his bike was a little damaged. A cop witnessed the whole thing, and let the disoriented fellow just ride off, which he was very anxious to do. He really had no idea why everyone was suddenly talking to him and what had just happened (no, he didn't hit his head). No report was taken and my friend was very puzzled by the whole incident when the cop told her to just leave the scene. I think that's a pretty good example of how seriously cops take BUI.
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Uhh, no, not the point. I'm agreeing that drunk bicyclists are mostly threats to themselves, and that law enforcement treats them accordingly.
I do think someone that out of it is probably a threat to pedestrians, however. Just not a very big one because his inebriation probably makes it difficult to maintain anything but a really slow speed. Put a motor on that guy's bike, though, and I think the story could be quite different.
I do think someone that out of it is probably a threat to pedestrians, however. Just not a very big one because his inebriation probably makes it difficult to maintain anything but a really slow speed. Put a motor on that guy's bike, though, and I think the story could be quite different.
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Uhh, no, not the point. I'm agreeing that drunk bicyclists are mostly threats to themselves, and that law enforcement treats them accordingly.
I do think someone that out of it is probably a threat to pedestrians, however. Just not a very big one because his inebriation probably makes it difficult to maintain anything but a really slow speed. Put a motor on that guy's bike, though, and I think the story could be quite different.
I do think someone that out of it is probably a threat to pedestrians, however. Just not a very big one because his inebriation probably makes it difficult to maintain anything but a really slow speed. Put a motor on that guy's bike, though, and I think the story could be quite different.
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People manage to walk to the car when they're quite drunk. I'm pretty sure that walking requires more coordination than sitting on a powered bike.
Look, you already said you can't post your real argument, so I posted the story to illustrate something else, not to keep arguing with you. I'm really not interested in going any further with this as now we're just going to make up numbers and multiply them by each other. Have a nice day.
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Next year they will make self steering 2 wheeled vehicles and then we can just read books while riding on them.
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Perfect for going down straight sidewalks, to hit pedestrians with. Oh wait it self steered into a tree first.
There might be a reason they made that video in an open field vs down a sidewalk.
There might be a reason they made that video in an open field vs down a sidewalk.
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My only concern with e-bikes is with huge heavy ones with 5-inch tires coming towards me at 30-40 mph in the opposing lane on the beach bike path. Many of them not even pedaling and riding hands-free and /or looking at phone. These are not legal and very dangerous.
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Small children can keep a bike upright for quite some distance. Drunk people do it all the time. It's adorable that you think it requires so much coordination that any significant level of intoxication will prevent someone from riding a motorized bike, but there's literally no reason to believe that the ability to balance will be impaired before someone's ability to steer and/or their judgment. Point is a person can operate a two wheeled vehicle badly for quite some distance, not that there aren't a bunch of riderless bikes, which you posed as a straw man. I was just showing your incompetence at creating a straw man since you chose the phrase "self-balancing."
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So, if you have a bunch of powered vehicles capable of road speeds greater than 30 mph that you can ride without a license, do you think "DUI suspension loophole" is a huge stretch ? Regulation requires anticipating obvious issues before they become commonplace.
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I do think that the idea that we will get a bunch of drunk people terrorizing the country on e-bikes is a bit of a stretch, yes.
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