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Old 10-23-19, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by badger1
I'm pretty sure the problem here was that the rider was not in his illusory drops, from whence much greater emergency control etc. blah blah blah can be exercised.

Let this be a lesson to us all.
Wrong dumb argument--we're going to get lectured about how we're not fit enough to pedal backwards properly, and that doing so is as efficient as brakes. SPOILER ALERT -it's not.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Wrong dumb argument--we're going to get lectured about how we're not fit enough to pedal backwards properly, and that doing so is as efficient as brakes. SPOILER ALERT -it's not.
Yes it is.
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Old 10-23-19, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by badger1
Yes it is.
No, it isn't.
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Old 10-23-19, 11:02 AM
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If you skid, it's as efective as applying only rear brake.
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Old 10-23-19, 11:03 AM
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I'm confused. Is it or isn't it?
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Old 10-23-19, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I'm confused. Is it or isn't it?
He's backpedalling.
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Old 10-23-19, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by subgrade
If you skid, it's as efective as applying only rear brake.
And going downhill, getting into a skid requires you to overcome a bunch of momentum pushing the pedals forward. Definitely takes longer than engaging a brake. Any assertion otherwise is absurd.
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Old 10-23-19, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by badger1
Yes it is.
Originally Posted by badger1
No, it isn't.
Well look, this isn't even an argument. It's more than just saying "No, it isn't."
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Old 10-23-19, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
Well look, this isn't even an argument. It's more than just saying "No, it isn't."
No it isn't.
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Old 10-23-19, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Troul
Was it a trek? Too many on the road, it probably didn't help matters.
But even Trek riders wear helmets
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Old 10-23-19, 01:54 PM
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Old 10-23-19, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by badger1
No it isn't.
C'mon.. argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
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Old 10-23-19, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
C'mon.. argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
No it isn't.

But at any rate, look here: if you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
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Old 10-23-19, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Yet, we know there are many of those out there.. Some former 10-speeds without any derailleurs, and a chain stretched around the old freewheel cluster to the front double-ring.

Or, perhaps some with a fixie sprocket screwed onto a freewheel hub without a lockring.
I've seen pseudo fixies with a cog screwed onto a freewheel hub (no freewheel though) and then a bottom bracket adjustable cup ring tightened up against that cog. I guess the rider rides a bit in a quiet area to tighten the cog and then retightens the lockring. I wonder just how secure that really is. I think there's a good reason why the lockring of a true fixed gear hub screws on differently than the cog does.

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Old 10-24-19, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
And going downhill, getting into a skid requires you to overcome a bunch of momentum pushing the pedals forward. Definitely takes longer than engaging a brake. Any assertion otherwise is absurd.
True, although I reckon a skilled fixie rider can lock the wheel/pedals almost instanteneously by raising the rear for a moment. But it would still take more time than just to squeeze a lever.
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Gotta love good reporting. Unfortunately, this wasn't it.

1. Fixie, single-speed, Wal-mart MTB? Not mentioned. Only "no brakes."
2. Did the rider's "serious injuries" include serious head injuries? Otherwise the note that he was not wearing a helmet was irrelevant.
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Old 10-24-19, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
C'mon.. argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
But if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
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Originally Posted by badger1
No it isn't.

But at any rate, look here: if you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
That was never five minutes.
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Old 10-24-19, 07:12 AM
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Another Darwin-award contestant (hopefully) learns one of life's valuable lessons.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
Gotta love good reporting. Unfortunately, this wasn't it.

1. Fixie, single-speed, Wal-mart MTB? Not mentioned. Only "no brakes."
2. Did the rider's "serious injuries" include serious head injuries? Otherwise the note that he was not wearing a helmet was irrelevant.
The reporting appears to be based entirely on police statements and limited released medical information, so I don't think it is good reporting to hold onto the story until all such facts are available.

Frankly, I don't care what kind of bike it was, if it had no brakes, he had no business riding it on the street. Brakes are required by Maine law, and riding brakeless in traffic without a freewheel is only slightly less crazy than doing so with a freewheel.

There are stories where it's quite clear that the mention of no helmet is gratuitous, I'm not at all certain this is one of those. Someone appears to have chosen to ride downhill into an intersection with no brakes, and doing so without a helmet seems to compound that bad judgment in my mind.
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If not wearing a helmet was against the law, I can see the usefulness of mentioning it in a news article, when someone involved in a crash was not wearing one.

But since I don't think this is the case in Maine. So to me, that fact is about as relevant as whether or not the cyclist said "thank you" or "yes ma'am" to the Starbucks barista who served him his latte just before the crash.
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If not wearing a helmet was against the law, I can see the usefulness of mentioning it in a news article, when someone involved in a crash was not wearing one.

But since I don't think this is the case in Maine. So to me, that fact is about as relevant as whether or not the cyclist said "thank you" or "yes ma'am" to the Starbucks barista who served him his latte just before the crash.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Brakes are required by Maine law, and riding brakeless in traffic without a freewheel is only slightly less crazy than doing so with a freewheel.
This motivated me to look up the Philly Municipal Code. It now requires a "brake." At one point in time it did not specifically use the word "brake." Instead, it required something like a "mechanical system" capable of causing a skid within a certain number of feet. I believe there were some other jurisdictions with similar language and once read something about someone arguing that the legs of a fixe rider qualified as a "mechanical system" under the law. I'll bet that potential argument was the impetus for the change.
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Old 10-24-19, 08:22 AM
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Legs may or may not qualify as a mechanical system, but cranks and chain, i.e. drivetrain certainly does. One could argue that brake levers, cables/hoses, calipers etc. can't make a wheel stop on their own either - they need external power applied order to do so.
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